Scientists Leaving Us in the Dark

No data on how many of those people have been re-infected or have spread COVID once they had natural immunity? You're right, the weekly CDC Morbidity and Mortality Report has never been shared here before as a resource.

Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19 Among Adults Hospitalized with COVID-19–Like Illness with Infection-Induced or mRNA Vaccine-Induced SARS-CoV-2 Immunity — Nine States, January–September 2021
Weekly / November 5, 2021 / 70(44);1539–1544

On October 29, 2021, this report was posted online as an MMWR Early Release.

Catherine H. Bozio, PhD1; Shaun J. Grannis, MD2,3; Allison L. Naleway, PhD4; Toan C. Ong, PhD5; Kristen A. Butterfield, MPH6; Malini B. DeSilva, MD7; Karthik Natarajan, PhD8,9; Duck-Hye Yang, PhD6; Suchitra Rao, MBBS5; Nicola P. Klein, MD, PhD10; Stephanie A. Irving, MHS4; Brian E. Dixon, PhD2,11; Kristin Dascomb, MD, PhD12; I-Chia Liao, MPH13; Sue Reynolds, PhD1; Charlene McEvoy, MD7; Jungmi Han8; Sarah E. Reese, PhD6; Ned Lewis, MPH10; William F. Fadel, PhD2,11; Nancy Grisel, MPP12; Kempapura Murthy, MBBS13; Jill Ferdinands, PhD1; Anupam B. Kharbanda, MD14; Patrick K. Mitchell, ScD6; Kristin Goddard, MPH10; Peter J. Embi, MD3,15; Julie Arndorfer, MPH12; Chandni Raiyani, MPH13; Palak Patel, MBBS1; Elizabeth A. Rowley, DrPH6; Bruce Fireman, MA10; Nimish R. Valvi, DrPH, MBBS2; Eric P. Griggs, MPH1; Matthew E. Levy, PhD6; Ousseny Zerbo, PhD10; Rachael M. Porter, MPH1; Rebecca J. Birch, MPH6; Lenee Blanton, MPH1; Sarah W. Ball, ScD6; Andrea Steffens, MPH1; Natalie Olson, MPH1; Jeremiah Williams, MPH1; Monica Dickerson, MPH1; Meredith McMorrow, MD1; Stephanie J. Schrag, DPhil1; Jennifer R. Verani, MD1; Alicia M. Fry, MD1; Eduardo Azziz-Baumgartner, MD1; Michelle Barron, MD5; Manjusha Gaglani, MBBS13; Mark G. Thompson, PhD1; Edward Stenehjem, MD12 (View author affiliations)

Summary

What is already known about this topic?

Previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19 vaccination can provide immunity and protection against subsequent SARS-CoV-2 infection and illness.

What is added by this report?

Among COVID-19–like illness hospitalizations among adults aged ≥18 years whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, the adjusted odds of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 among unvaccinated adults with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection were 5.49-fold higher than the odds among fully vaccinated recipients of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine who had no previous documented infection (95% confidence interval = 2.75–10.99).

What are the implications for public health practice?

All eligible persons should be vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as possible, including unvaccinated persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.

Previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) or COVID-19 vaccination can provide immunity and protection from subsequent SARS-CoV-2 infection and illness. CDC used data from the VISION Network* to examine hospitalizations in adults with COVID-19–like illness and compared the odds of receiving a positive SARS-CoV-2 test result, and thus having laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, between unvaccinated patients with a previous SARS-CoV-2 infection occurring 90–179 days before COVID-19–like illness hospitalization, and patients who were fully vaccinated with an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine 90–179 days before hospitalization with no previous documented SARS-CoV-2 infection. Hospitalized adults aged ≥18 years with COVID-19–like illness were included if they had received testing at least twice: once associated with a COVID-19–like illness hospitalization during January–September 2021 and at least once earlier (since February 1, 2020, and ≥14 days before that hospitalization). Among COVID-19–like illness hospitalizations in persons whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, the odds of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 (adjusted for sociodemographic and health characteristics) among unvaccinated, previously infected adults were higher than the odds among fully vaccinated recipients of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine with no previous documented infection (adjusted odds ratio [aOR] = 5.49; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 2.75–10.99). These findings suggest that among hospitalized adults with COVID-19–like illness whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, vaccine-induced immunity was more protective than infection-induced immunity against laboratory-confirmed COVID-19. All eligible persons should be vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as possible, including unvaccinated persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.

Why do you think they stopped tracking any cases, breakthrough or otherwise? That link I shared proves they didn't - it's data from JANUARY-SEPTEMBER 2021. Earlier MMWRs will show you 2020 if you want to go back that far.

What have you been told that's wrong? Is it that scientists and doctors were still trying to figure out how the virus infected people and wreaked the havoc it did, or are you listening to stupid media sources simply saying that?

The FDA went through the vaccine testing and approval process at the same speed as they do with all other vaccines. The time saved in creating the COVID vaccines was in the beginning steps, building the mRNA-based vaccines, not the FDA testing and approval stage, which was due to pharmaceutical companies having been testing mRNA therapies for years now and the Trump administration rightfully throwing money and support behind the rapid scale up of vaccine production prior to approval on the hopes that the results would be favorable so they could be ready to ship millions of doses for administering as soon as approval was made. Most of the time, mass production doesn't happen until after approval because it's an expensive gamble, and there isn't such an urgent need for millions of doses immediately.

5 million people have died of COVID so far since it began. The vaccines are just as safe as the flu vaccines, and if your family isn't contra-indicated to receive it, why wouldn't you protect yourself and them? Do you like being sick? Do you invite the risk of being hospitalized when healthcare workers are burnt out, over-worked, and our hospitals are at limited capacity to treat new cases?

Not a single doctor or scientist has claimed that any vaccine is 100% safe, or 100% effective. I agree that pharmaceutical companies need to be held accountable if they knowingly supply dangerous products, but that's a different topic for discussion on policy.

The transparency is there, the data is all there. Stop listening to the media, and Fauci, and go LOOK at the data that's been published on the CDC's website since the very beginning.

1. How many people with natural immunity are spreading the virus vs people who have only gotten the vaccine?

Answer: Every one of them. Regardless of whether you've gotten the virus, recovered and been re-infected, or been vaccinated and get the virus, you are infectious. The difference is that you are far less likely to get the virus if you've been vaccinated, and thus less likely to spread it to others, and far less likely to suffer severe symptoms requiring hospitalization if you've been vaccinated.

2. How many of the 140 million people who have natural immunity have gotten a re-infection compared to people who have gotten the shot and do not have natural immunity?

Impossible to know because most people who get re-infected don't go to the hospital (so their case is documented) and some of those are likely asymptomatic so unless they do weekly tests on themselves, they wouldn't even know they are re-infected.

Also, it's not technically correct when saying that those who are vaccinated do not have "natural immunity." The vaccination gives your body natural immunity by priming your immune system to recognize and attack the same virus should your body encounter it, without the danger of the whole native virus infecting you.

It's an old terminology saying "natural" virus (especially in this case as we have no idea yet how this virus originated and it's unlikely we'll ever get answers from CCP, for which they need to be held account). That used to denote the original strain that came out, with mutant versions arising from that. Now that we genetically sequence viruses, it's simply the original, or native, strain, and any variants are denoted by the base pair mutation # and subsequent amino acid change. If you'd like to follow more about the evolution of SARS-CoV-2, I highly recommend Dr. Trevor Bedford.

Nice overview:
What are the Delta, Gamma, Beta and Alpha Covid variants?
By Michelle Roberts, BBC | October 19, 2021

They ARE tracking re-infections that end up in the hospital, and the CDC data I posted shows that. I'm not sure how I could state this any differently to improve understanding that point.

I don't know if your daughter is collecting data comprehensively or not, but it completely differs from what UC Health is seeing, and as you say, it's only one hospital. The CDC collects data from hospitals across the country so their data is more comprehensive.

Why are Colorado COVID-19 cases spiking?
By: Todd Neff, for UCHealth | Nov. 5, 2021

Those who are unvaccinated comprise about 80% of infections. At UCHealth hospitals, that ratio holds: 78% of those hospitalized and 91% of those in ICUs are unvaccinated. The ones hospitalized despite being vaccinated are often immunocompromised or significantly older.