Colorado Hates Democracy

21 Dec 2023 17:00 #11 by ramage
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Here are some other states that also hate democracy.
Four states—Florida, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Massachusetts—have decided to force voters with a single option for the Democratic primaries: Joe Biden.

The decision, which effectively crowns Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee in those states without primary contestation, has incited allegations of disenfranchisement and questions about the democratic process within the party.

Understand that there are other democrats that are actively pursuing the nomination.

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21 Dec 2023 19:50 #12 by Rick
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Well, would you look at that. Surely, driver8, you don't think states like Florida should remove other Democrat choices from the ballot, do you? Think about it, a good majority of Democrats don't want Biden to run, and Florida decides the Dems only get Biden.

On the other side, Trump has the largest number of supporters of any other Republican, and 4 individuals think they can take Trump off the ballot, for no good reason. Is that really how your dream democracy would operate?

I know you're more intelligent that Joy Behar, but a lot more people listen to what she says and believe it.. Do you?

"Joe, the ballot box can't compete with the third party candidates who will take votes from Joe Biden. And let us not forget the electoral college. The law must defeat him," she replied.


www.foxnews.com/media/joy-behar-crushed-...eme-court-law-defeat

Joy isn't smart enough to understand how completely undemocratic her statement is, and she is not in the minority when it comes to attacking Trump by any means possible.

It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy

George Orwell

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22 Dec 2023 08:06 #13 by Rick
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Rick wrote:

driver8 wrote: It's been interesting seeing the fascists on MMT ignorantly blathering on about how Colorado hates Democracy... yada yada yada. The Colorado lawsuit was brought by *four Republicans* and *two independents*. Not Democrats. There was a trial with Trump's lawyers putting up a defense. It's all on the record.... it must suck to be a part of a party that eats it's own like the GOP does. Gotta love seeing it tho!

:woohoo: :silly:

The question is, do you believe the 4 Democrat justices made the right decision, and why?

Btw, your insults, while expected, really don't add to your argument, they only make you look angry.


The lesson you should learn is to come in here with facts and the ability to backup your stance. There's nothing new about Republicans hating Trump, but it is a new thing seeing SC justices taking a popular candidate off the ballot. You either think your justices acted in accordance with the Constitution or you don't.

It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy

George Orwell

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22 Dec 2023 10:21 #14 by koobookie
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Why would Biden be removed from the ballot in any state? Has Biden violated Amendment 14, section 3, like Trump did?

Remember, it was 4 Republicans and 2 Independents that brought the case. If I remember correctly, the trial took five days and there were lawyers for both sides. Trump hired lawyers to represent him, so he had his day in court. The Colorado Supreme Court found that he had violated the Constitution Amendment 14.

Trump did this to himself.

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22 Dec 2023 10:29 #15 by FredHayek
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"Republican"? That means nothing, I could switch to the Democrat Party on Tuesday.

K, address this, do you think it was a good decision for the Democrats in NY state to deny the Libertarian Party a place on the presidential ballot?

And why are Democrats so scared of President Trump having access to the ballot? You handily beat him last time. And if he did commit insurrection, why hasn't he been charged? In fact, none of the January 6th participants have been charged with insurrection. Why not?

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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22 Dec 2023 11:10 #16 by koobookie
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It's not fear of Trump, it's that he violated the Constitution. Why is this so hard to understand? He did this to himself.

Again, if I remember correctly, the lower judge, in her ruling, stated that he did indeed incite an insurrection, a rebellion against the government. That violates Amendment 14.

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23 Dec 2023 21:15 #17 by FredHayek
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Not all amendments are good. 14 needs to be modified. This amendment was written right after the American Civil War when 11 states couldn't vote against it. America doesn't sentence people without a trial and the opportunity to defend themselves.

K, do you want to live in a nation where a star chamber of judges sentence people without a public trial.

I hope the Supremes re-write this one, or add an addendum.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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28 Dec 2023 11:24 #18 by koobookie
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FredHayek wrote: Not all amendments are good. 14 needs to be modified. This amendment was written right after the American Civil War when 11 states couldn't vote against it. America doesn't sentence people without a trial and the opportunity to defend themselves.

K, do you want to live in a nation where a star chamber of judges sentence people without a public trial.

I hope the Supremes re-write this one, or add an addendum.


First, why would your modify the 14th? Are you in favor of persons who rebelled against the nation to hold office?

Second, Trump had representation in both trials in Colorado. He had his lawyers there presenting evidence and arguments. It was not a "Star Chamber." He had a trial and lost.

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29 Dec 2023 10:40 #19 by Rick
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koobookie wrote: Why would Biden be removed from the ballot in any state? Has Biden violated Amendment 14, section 3, like Trump did?

You've fallen in a trap here koobookie. If you think people should be convicted without a trial, then anyone and everyone should be subject to the same treatment... would you agree? If Trump doesn't need to be convicted of a crime to be removed , then Biden should be held to the same standard. There's lots of evidence that Biden absolutely lied about not knowing anything about his drug addict son's influence pedaling operation (which doesn't happen without Joe Biden) and there's lot's of evidence that the entire Biden family made millions from our foreign adversaries with no evidence of services rendered. Your media's lack of curiosity doesn't mean crime and corruption hasn't been committed.

Should both men be judged equally or is there a different kind of balance you think is more appropriate for a country that has a code of innocent until proven guilty?

It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers−out of unorthodoxy

George Orwell

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29 Dec 2023 11:27 #20 by koobookie
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Trump had a trial. Two, actually. Evidence was presented. Trump had lawyers representing him. A verdict was reached by the judges.

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