I should ammend to add that open borders doesn't mean a free-for-all. As long as we have countries with different political views and leaders, we need to maintain that separatedness. Proper paperwork, etc. Maybe not so different as it is now, but with a lean toward invitation and less pushing away. Have you gone to Canada lately? Sheesh! Those border patrols have changed so much, it's unreal. The old days--drive up, show your license, drive through with a nod and a wave. Now. License, Passport, no more smiling and nodding and the 20 questions about where you're going and why.
Maybe I'd like to see it more along the lines of stopping at the border, quick check, go through unless something found. Dogs sniffing is a good way to find illegal paraphanalia. Like when I transport horses across state lines--the want to see the animal's papers, but I get to go through. Minor inconvenience and a way to track for disease, etc. Not sure I said that right, only one cuppa so far today.
bootlegger wrote: Try going through Europe without papers, you won't make it very far.....
We're better than Europe, more free, more diverse,and provide more rights. You guys hate when we try and act like Europe. Just political convenience? We are a nation of immigrants not an indigenous bunch of inbreds like most European countries.
This the ring right?
And another question pertaining to that. Should we just have open borders? And what should we do with people who come across illegally?
Our legal immigration laws need to be revamped, that would solve most of the problem. I have an old friend that owns a construction company in SoCal and he has gotten rich using 70% illegals. And he makes you look like Dennis Kucinich he's so conservative. Huge fines and even jail time for employers that hire illegals would be more effective and cheaper than militarizing the border cities. Our immigration laws are family based,relatives here make it easier to become legal, it should be needs and skill based. Canada has a great policy on that and a web site that changes daily showing skills their businesses need, then people from everywhere can apply
It might help if immigration procedures were a little easier but I don't have any sympathy for illegal aliens. I think all levels of law enforcement should be able to question every single person they come in contact with and immediately detain suspected illegals until their identity can be confirmed and then immediately deport the illegals. No exceptions. Come here legally or don't come here at all.
All illegal aliens are lawbreakers by definition. If someone breaks into your house are you going to let them get away with it? Yet our lack of enforcement of immigration allows illegals to steal our national treasure. All illegals should be sent to jail and deported. The people who hire illegals should be thrown in jail as well.
Just because we are better than Europe does not mean we allow ourselves to be taken advantage by people who broke the law entering this country.
And other than, 'we are better than Europe', does any of the 4 who have voted that we should not ask about citizenship think it is OK for other countries to ask you when you are in their country about your citizenship status or for a passport? And if so, then why should America be the only country who does not question the people who come across our borders?
conifermtman wrote: All illegal aliens are lawbreakers by definition. If someone breaks into your house are you going to let them get away with it? Yet our lack of enforcement of immigration allows illegals to steal our national treasure. All illegals should be sent to jail and deported. country.
Don't compare visa overstayers to home invaders..Ridiculous
And by any measure except for maybe the weather, we are not better than Europe. It's just a lot easier to swim across the Rio Grande than it is to swim across the Atlantic ocean.
conifermtman wrote: Some people just have a naive understanding on how the world works.
Thats what i'm getting from this thread as well..A bunch of immature, knee jerk, emotional reactions from people that fear people that are a little different.
conifermtman wrote: Some people just have a naive understanding on how the world works.
Thats what i'm getting from this thread as well..A bunch of immature, knee jerk, emotional reactions from people that fear people that are a little different.
Who fears people that are different? I haven't gotten that from this thread at all. As I have staed before, I was engaged to a lady from Mexico so the color of a persons skin makes no difference to me in this discussion at all. What do you think should happen to those who came here illegally? And do you think it is OK to ask them for ID and if they are citizens? And I am trying to figure out your post. Are you saying people who want to uphold the law are immature?