A great quote. Is it OK that our Country is like this?

AspenValley wrote:

The Viking wrote: "Fathom the odd hypocrisy that Congress wants every citizen to prove they are insured, but people don't have to prove they are citizens". -Ben Stein

Don't you think this is backwards?

Do you have to prove you have auto insurance if the cops pull you over?

If so, why haven't you freaked out over that?

We have had this discussion many times. It is like apples and oranges. Not everyone chooses to drive so not everyone HAS to be forced to get insurance. I choose to drive so that is part of the cost of it. Just breathing and being alive should not make you be forced to carry insurance for that. If you don't and you have to use a hospital then you have to pay for it. But it is a choice and should not be something forced upon all Americans. In the Constitution, it says that no one can be 'forced' to buy a good or service. Car insurance is a choice if you want to drive. This Health Insurance is unconstitutional for them to force you to buy something and then fine you or jail you if you don't. Tell me anything else that this government 'forces' you to buy just for being alive.

LadyJazzer wrote: I didn't know hospital emergency rooms were supposed to enforce immigration laws? How did that sneak in there?

SO if they aren't suppose to get involved, then if I go in and tell them I don't have insurance and want others to cover me, do they do it? Should they report me for the fact that I am not carrying the mandatory insurance? Should they report someone who has no ID and may be there illegally? What should they do? Just treat you and not say anything? If someone came in with a bullet wound should they reposrt it to the police or are they suppose to ignore all posible crimes such as that and being in the country illegally?

When pulled over by the police, you should produce drivers license, registration and proof of insurance. If you can't or don't, expect tickets, fines and possible arrest.

And if someone tried to apply for one of the federal risk-pools and the insurance program that is being created, and they are an illegal alien, there are fines and consequences.

LadyJazzer wrote: And if someone tried to apply for one of the federal risk-pools and the insurance program that is being created, and they are an illegal alien, there are fines and consequences.

Not with this administration. The arrests of those caught have dropped by almost 90%. They just let them go. Now there is a F'n lawsuit in AZ by people saying it is unfair for them to ask for a greencard. I can't believe this one is actually proceeding.

HEARTLESS wrote: When pulled over by the police, you should produce drivers license, registration and proof of insurance. If you can't or don't, expect tickets, fines and possible arrest.

Again, driving is a regulated activity which people can choose whether or not to undertake. Simply existing (walking down a public sidewalk, for example) is not a choice which people make with the understanding that it makes them subject to scrutiny in the same way driving does. In our legal tradition people who are not involved in a regulated activity may be contacted by law enforcement & asked to identify themselves. The standard for detaining an individual who isn't involved in regulated activity like driving, though, is much different than the standard outlined in Arizona's statute. Reasonable suspicion is a meaningful legal hurdle that is notably missing from the AZ law & is likely a big part of the reason that the courts are taking legal challenges seriously, as well they should.

The Viking wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: And if someone tried to apply for one of the federal risk-pools and the insurance program that is being created, and they are an illegal alien, there are fines and consequences.

Not with this administration. The arrests of those caught have dropped by almost 90%. They just let them go. Now there is a F'n lawsuit in AZ by people saying it is unfair for them to ask for a greencard. I can't believe this one is actually proceeding.

I would find it hard to believe that arrests of illegal aliens are down by 90%. Since when? Do you have a link to that? If it's true, then I would wonder why.

The Viking wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: And if someone tried to apply for one of the federal risk-pools and the insurance program that is being created, and they are an illegal alien, there are fines and consequences.

Not with this administration. The arrests of those caught have dropped by almost 90%. They just let them go. Now there is a F'n lawsuit in AZ by people saying it is unfair for them to ask for a greencard. I can't believe this one is actually proceeding.

You might try responding to what I wrote, instead of what you'd like to think I said... Since you obviously didn't read what I wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: And if someone tried to apply for one of the federal risk-pools and the insurance program that is being created, and they are an illegal alien, there are fines and consequences.

SC, read the post by grrr on page one, in particular the "brown" reference.