What if there is no God?

16 Dec 2010 09:16 #21 by mtntrekker
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beautiful video viking. any time i want to question the hard stuff that is happening, i will go climb a wall of rock and part way up look around at the beauty and i believe - turn it over to the Lord.

bumper sticker - honk if you will pay my mortgage

"The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." attributed to Margaret Thatcher

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government." Thomas Jefferson

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16 Dec 2010 09:19 #22 by Photo-fish
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You don't have to believe in god, or in heaven or hell to be a good person or have a well adjusted moral compass. I believe that you should do unto others...yadda, yadda, yadda. Maybe that comes from my catholic youth. I also believe in Karma. Do good and it will come back to you, do bad and expect to be crapped on. What comes around goes around...That comes from my earthly experiences. If there is a heaven, I'd llike to think that the good I have done or the lack of bad things I have done will speak for me. If there is an afterlife, I really don't think my actions (or inactions) in my lifetime will exclude me from it.

I am spritual, not religious. I am not sure that man was put on this earth for any reason at all. Maybe a cosmic dream in somebody elses head. When they awake we will simply cease to exist. Maybe our universe is a single atom on a blade of grass about to be mowed.
I look to nature for my inspiration and thank IT as a my source. I sat for an hour under the meteor shower the other night and wondered about that far off planet of three headed green people. There is a large group of people on that planet who no doubt think that THEY were created in gods image. Who's to say who is right?

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16 Dec 2010 09:21 #23 by The Boss
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For me, no biggie, I have never seen anything besides some other people saying it is so to make me even start to even consider there may be a god.

For those with faith, belief in the completely unsubstantiated...with pride, I would be slightly concerned, cerntainly it would leave someone empty if they built their life on something that other people always told them was so and it was proven wrong. But it cannot be proven wrong, just like you cannot prove that god is not Black, Muslum, an Ant or In-Side-Out. Anything can be proclaimed because nothing is ever shown add this to people looking for answers and you have religion driven by faith in the creator's story. You can mix it up any way you want and then add some history or incorporate some other religions tales, dates or figures, even under new names.

But alas, I would be far more cocerned for the later group should in some way shape or form, that God was actually proven real any any form, not only christian model, but any of the others and this group had to really kneel before and obey an actual known being or entity. But perhaps that is what they are looking for, I don't know. Imagine only one god, and it is not yours and you find out you have been doing everything wrong because your parents misinterpreted the instructions (ever have a boss or manager??...now imagine those instructions getting passed on 84 generations mostly by people that could not read or write, after it was translated 5 times by monks after it was written by people that heard about it from others that passed it along 7 generations, by more people that could not read or write...or something like that???)

Now for the former group, perhaps we will be burned or perhaps we actually pass the test of self reliance, but ultimately I bet things keep on going like they have been, some people wont believe, other people will 'cause their parents or someone charastamatic in the community told them to, and they will fight about it forever.

Perhaps it is all just a government ploy to get Americans to become more familiar with other countries and geography and to trump the cartoon myths of these places from our youths?

Faith is fine, just recognize it for what it is, how many different one's there are, how passionate other faiths are, sometimes even more so than yours, and certainly don't look at anyone who believes in what they see and not things that are unseen and previous generations claim....as odd. Some of us are looking for more than faith, we are looking for proof or we just build on what we already know for moral guidance.

On a sidenote, I find it interesting that people that believe quicky tie their belief with their good deeds or morals. This concerns me, as in my life such actions are driven by compassion for other existing beings, not a god or any faith. Does this mean that for those that are religious, that if your faith is shaken, that this could turn you into a less moral or kind being? I also ask this question in regards to not only you personally, but what you observe in your fellow religious? If it your fear of hell that drives you, or your desire of praise from an unseen being, don't look at me like the odd ball for being nice just 'cause I would like others to be the same to me.

Has history not shown you that if your parents just happen to have dived into a different book, or to have been born in a different place or time that YOU would believe a completely different thing and perhaps even be more passionate. If the extremely passionate christian, that has the body chemistry to make him very faithfull, was born in a talaban villiage, he would be the best of talabans, well suited for assimilation.

Can people not get outside themselves and realize that in most cases, your religion and thus your faith is a coincendence of time, space and parental association, not an actual correct religion or correct spelling?

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16 Dec 2010 09:26 #24 by ComputerBreath
I believe in a being of higher power. In my world He or She is named God.

I've felt God; I've seen God's power; I know he exists. I don't do or say things because God wants me to...I am that way because of what I was taught and from my own experiences.

Faith and spirituality are way different than religion.

I saw a quote a few years back: Faith isn't thinking God can; Faith is knowing God will

Each to his or her own, and I have friends and family that believe differently than I do. It is entirely their choice and they leave me with my choice to believe.

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16 Dec 2010 09:29 #25 by JusSayin
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Anyone who has witnessed the birth of their child should not question the existence of God.

Anyone who has looked certain death in the eye and survived should not question the existence of God.

Anyone who has witnessed a sunrise, a sunset, a small seed growing into a massive tree, or a rainstorm clearing the sky of man’s pollution should not question the existence of God.

God performs miracles all around us; we only need to open our eyes and acknowledge them. But only when a person accepts God’s existence can they feel His presence in their heart. And at that moment, the question being asked will be, “How can I get closer to you, God?”

Believers will understand this. Most non-believers will not. The first step to believing and understanding is called ‘faith’.

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16 Dec 2010 09:36 #26 by mtntrekker
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i don't believe because others have told me to believe, i believe in god because i believe.

i don't have any kids but if i did i would hope it would be my actions, more so than words that they would learn from.

i am not concerned whether i will be judged later i care more about asking for the lords help and doing what i think is right now.

bumper sticker - honk if you will pay my mortgage

"The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." attributed to Margaret Thatcher

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government." Thomas Jefferson

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16 Dec 2010 09:55 #27 by The Boss
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JusSayin wrote: Anyone who has witnessed the birth of their child should not question the existence of God.

Anyone who has looked certain death in the eye and survived should not question the existence of God.

Anyone who has witnessed a sunrise, a sunset, a small seed growing into a massive tree, or a rainstorm clearing the sky of man’s pollution should not question the existence of God.

God performs miracles all around us; we only need to open our eyes and acknowledge them. But only when a person accepts God’s existence can they feel His presence in their heart. And at that moment, the question being asked will be, “How can I get closer to you, God?”

Believers will understand this. Most non-believers will not. The first step to believing and understanding is called ‘faith’.


Anyone with just a bit of basic education understands these things without faith, even the tingly feeling you feel during them that you do not understand and thus you run to god and faith!!! No proof, just good things. Real world incentive to do good things without faith, but rather than seeing what is on the table for real, you see this and move instantly to some unseen being.

The above examples are great things, but not proof of any kind of a god or otherwise.

1faith noun \ˈfāth\
plural faiths \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\
Definition of FAITH
1a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
2b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>
— on faith


2b (1) because I said so. That always made so much sense.

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16 Dec 2010 10:04 #28 by The Viking
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mtntrekker wrote: beautiful video viking. any time i want to question the hard stuff that is happening, i will go climb a wall of rock and part way up look around at the beauty and i believe - turn it over to the Lord.


:yeahthat: Good post. I will go get lost in the mountains for a few days when I need to figure things out too.

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16 Dec 2010 10:08 #29 by The Viking
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ComputerBreath wrote: I believe in a being of higher power. In my world He or She is named God.

I've felt God; I've seen God's power; I know he exists. I don't do or say things because God wants me to...I am that way because of what I was taught and from my own experiences.

Faith and spirituality are way different than religion.

I saw a quote a few years back: Faith isn't thinking God can; Faith is knowing God will

Each to his or her own, and I have friends and family that believe differently than I do. It is entirely their choice and they leave me with my choice to believe.


Great post and borrowing that quote for Facebook. Thanks!

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16 Dec 2010 10:09 #30 by cydl
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Whats Up wrote: Continue to do what is right and moral, living up to my standards for myself. Compassion and empathy does not come from a belief in God, it comes from within oneself.

:yeahthat:

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