What if there is no God?

16 Dec 2010 14:23 #61 by BearMtnHIB
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Atheism is as much a religion as the others. As an atheist - you are quite certain there is no God.

I just don't know how anyone can be that certain - or how anyone who is alive in this world and can see the complexity of the sky at night - or look at nature and think this all could have happened without a creator.

Who created it? It just happened? Just popped up out of nowhere? Who created the first speck of matter?

Seems to me to be a no brainer- without getting all baby Jesus on you all - there must have been a higher power that makes it all possible.

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16 Dec 2010 14:29 #62 by LadyJazzer
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Read "The Grand Design" by Stephen Hawking, and that provides as plausible an answer to "who created the first spec of matter" and whether or not it was some divine-being/higher-power, as the dogma of the church does. You won't believe his theory, any more than I believe yours. The point is, yours isn't the only one... Unfortunately, over the millennia millions of people have been killed and/or tortured because one group believes it has the "only answer", and all others are blasphemers...And, "I'm going to have to kill you if you don't believe what *I* believe."

I don't care about your "baby Jesus" mythology... I enjoy the season for what it is... I enjoy the music, the colored lights, the sights, the smells, the hot cider, the snow, etc. (Boy, if someone hadn't created the holiday back in the year 350, someone would have had to create one sooner or later...just because it's a great idea!)

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16 Dec 2010 14:35 #63 by Scruffy
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BearMtnHIB wrote: Atheism is as much a religion as the others. As an atheist - you are quite certain there is no God.

I just don't know how anyone can be that certain - or how anyone who is alive in this world and can see the complexity of the sky at night - or look at nature and think this all could have happened without a creator.

Who created it? It just happened? Just popped up out of nowhere? Who created the first speck of matter?

Seems to me to be a no brainer- without getting all baby Jesus on you all - there must have been a higher power that makes it all possible.


Atheism is a religion? Then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

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16 Dec 2010 15:03 #64 by BearMtnHIB
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Atheism is indeed a religion. Not collecting stamps just makes you a non-collector of stamps. For me - I can't look at the complexity of nature and come anywhere near the conclusion that it just happened that way.

The laws of the universe are too complex to just have happened - therefore I can be pretty sure some higher level was involved - a creator - a God.

Einstein - widley accepted as one of the smartest humans to ever live on this planet - comes to the same conclusion as I do. Here's a little of what he had to say about the issue......

"All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree."

"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish."

I want to know all Gods thoughts; all the rest are just details.

“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
Albert Einstein

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16 Dec 2010 15:04 #65 by PrintSmith
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LadyJazzer wrote: Boy, if someone hadn't created the holiday back in the year 350, someone would have had to create one sooner or later...just because it's a great idea!

Someone did create the holiday, and well before the year 350, though we will have to wait until our next life to find out who that someone was. Christians just co-opted it to make it easier for the heathen to accept and easier for the Christians to lead them to conversion. I may be a Roman Catholic, but I'll freely admit that the festival of Christ's birth, Christmas, is just the latest incarnation of a celebration of the return of light to the children of the earth that has likely occurred for as long as we've possessed the ability to determine when that time arrived.

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16 Dec 2010 15:06 #66 by Wayne Harrison

BearMtnHIB wrote: Who created it? It just happened? Just popped up out of nowhere? Who created the first speck of matter?


Who created God?

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16 Dec 2010 15:08 #67 by ckm8
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Does this baby prove the existence of God to you?



Religion has long been used to explain the inexplicable. You might find your lack of understanding about the nature of the universe to be ultimate proof of His existence. To others it just shows a lack of knowledge. Just because we don't know the answer now doesn't mean we never will. Our science is in its' infancy.

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16 Dec 2010 15:09 #68 by Scruffy
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BearMtnHIB wrote: Atheism is indeed a religion. Not collecting stamps just makes you a non-collector of stamps. For me - I can't look at the complexity of nature and come anywhere near the conclusion that it just happened that way.

The laws of the universe are too complex to just have happened - therefore I can be pretty sure some higher level was involved - a creator - a God.

Einstein - widley accepted as one of the smartest humans to ever live on this planet - comes to the same conclusion as I do. Here's a little of what he had to say about the issue......

"All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree."

"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish."

I want to know all Gods thoughts; all the rest are just details.

“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
Albert Einstein

So, in your mind, non-belief in something equates to a belief.



"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." - Albert Einstein

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16 Dec 2010 15:17 #69 by cydl

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16 Dec 2010 15:23 #70 by RenegadeCJ
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ckm8 wrote: Does this baby prove the existence of God to you?



Religion has long been used to explain the inexplicable. You might find your lack of understanding about the nature of the universe to be ultimate proof of His existence. To others it just shows a lack of knowledge. Just because we don't know the answer now doesn't mean we never will. Our science is in its' infancy.


No, but it sure proves the human condition.....

Too bad future generations aren't here to see all the great things we are spending their $$ on!!

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