And you wonder why Republicans are not taken seriously

11 Mar 2011 12:54 #11 by AspenValley

Nmysys wrote: Something:

One Republican's comments alone is not the basis of determining what all Republicans stand for. That's like my saying Bill Clinton was a man whore therefore all Democrats are man whores!!!

Well maybe that is carrying things too far, since, never mind!!! LOL


He hasn't been the only one talking all of a sudden about the "feminization" of men. Where did that come from? It seems like a talking point, must have a source.

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11 Mar 2011 13:00 #12 by LadyJazzer

AspenValley wrote:

Nmysys wrote: Something:

One Republican's comments alone is not the basis of determining what all Republicans stand for. That's like my saying Bill Clinton was a man whore therefore all Democrats are man whores!!!

Well maybe that is carrying things too far, since, never mind!!! LOL


He hasn't been the only one talking all of a sudden about the "feminization" of men. Where did that come from? It seems like a talking point, must have a source.



It seems to be an obsession on the right-wing side:

What's with the GOP women's exhortations that men need to 'man up' or get their 'man pants on'?
By Mary Stanik | Thursday, Oct. 21, 2010


We had Christine O'Donnell, who may not be a practicing witch but is currently Delaware's Republican U.S. Senate candidate, telling her primary rival Mike Castle that he was being "un-manly" and that he needed to "get his man pants on." There is Nevada's U.S. Senate candidate, Sharron Angle, who delights in pouring the manly tea on Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid by telling him to "man up" about problems with Social Security. And then there's Sarah Palin, who exhorts politicians of presumably either sex to stop being chicken and "man up" and support Tea Party candidates. (She also said Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer had "cojones" that her Democratic male gubernatorial challenger lacked — but let's leave anatomical and hormonal matters aside for now too.)

To think that after so many years of women having to fight men to first be recognized as persons (which the British Privy Council stated only in 1929, overturning a Supreme Court of Canada case that indicated otherwise), obtain the right to vote (without which Palin would not have become a short-term Alaska governor, not to mention the 2008 Republican vice presidential candidate), and then gain the right to attend law or medical school, become firefighters, police officers or truck drivers, receive equal pay for equal work, own property in their own name, etc., etc., that some women would now demand that men "man up" is pretty startling.

For starters, I just wonder what these women mean when they say men should "man up." Do they want them to stop waxing their chests and using styling gel, and then go out and eat seven pounds of beef in one sitting and lift weights to bulk up their triceps and biceps? Do they want them to consider any woman living in their domicile to be their personal property? Or will acting like a "tough" guy do, maybe while wearing camouflage gear and hoisting either a rifle or a bow and arrow while screaming at full lung capacity about crazy women who think they can run for political office?



http://www.minnpost.com/community_voice ... n_pants_on

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11 Mar 2011 13:03 #13 by AspenValley
Hmmm, so you think it's not "liberal" women telling men to be sissies, but "conservative" women telling them not to be such wimps?

Interesting.

By the way I'd find the second more plausible. Men tend to react pretty strongly when told they are wimpy trying to prove they're not but I haven't seen too many snap right to attention and get right on the project when told to be more feminine. (In fact I haven't seen ANY).

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11 Mar 2011 13:07 #14 by Rick
I have a problem with your headline Dog. You are attempting to paint EVERY Republican with the same broad brush by saying "and you wonder why Republicans are not taken seriously". Why not address what this ONE Republican is saying instead of making it look like ALL have the same opinion?

If I had a thread called "Why do Muslims want to kill us?" you would be all over me like stink on a turd. This is a problem most of us have on these forums and it only makes the divide wider. Unless you can show that the majority of Republicans share the view of this Senator, it's really just a rant against ONE guy. I personally see nothing wrong with the proposed legislation and you should know by now that I'm no Democrat.

I doubt this would turn boys into sissys, but I do think our society has moved toward feminizing boys by eliminating the best games like dodgeball :biggrin:

“We can’t afford four more years of this”

Tim Walz

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11 Mar 2011 13:12 #15 by AspenValley
I agree the headline may be unfair because the article is just about ONE person who happens to a Republican, but Bill don't you agree there is a lot of talk all of a sudden by Republicans about "feminizing men"? There may be an interesting point in there somewhere as to why some men feel that way but it does sound like this reps argument that somehow a PE class would do that seems a bit out there. Could be more to the story, or it could be just an extreme example of all this "feminization" talk.

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11 Mar 2011 13:17 #16 by Rick
I think the main problem is that schools are eliminating competition in every area. I remember field day when I was a kid...we all tried are best to get that blue ribbon but not everyone could be first. Now everyone gets a ribbon just for showing up...some schools want to do away with valedictorians. I think it's important to learn how to lose as well as how to win. I get pretty sick of hearing how we need to protect these kids "feelings"....bullcrap.

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11 Mar 2011 13:19 #17 by AspenValley

CriticalBill wrote: I think the main problem is that schools are eliminating competition in every area. I remember field day when I was a kid...we all tried are best to get that blue ribbon but not everyone could be first. Now everyone gets a ribbon just for showing up...some schools want to do away with valedictorians. I think it's important to learn how to lose as well as how to win. I get pretty sick of hearing how we need to protect these kids "feelings"....bullcrap.


I don't disagree but I think what that produces is whiny, entitled adults who think they should be rewarded just for breathing - of both sexes. Doesn't really help me out on this "feminization" thing.

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11 Mar 2011 13:21 #18 by Nmysys
AV:

What you are doing is proving that you actually have been reading my posts, as I have made this claim a number of times in the past.

There has also been a DUMBING DOWN of America over the decades. Have you also heard that one?

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11 Mar 2011 13:24 #19 by Pony Soldier

AspenValley wrote: So why are Republican men so scared to death of losing their manhood these days?


Because all of the men have left the Republican party?

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11 Mar 2011 13:29 #20 by AspenValley

Nmysys wrote: There has also been a DUMBING DOWN of America over the decades. Have you also heard that one?


God, yes. I started complaining about dumbing down at least 25 years ago.

We have a nation of young people holding advanced degrees in underwater basket weaving. who are all whining they can't get a job that pays the big bucks.

The fact is, I don't think everybody should go to college. Maybe the top 10% have the brains and drive to actually benefit from rigorous coursework and advanced degrees in order to reach their full potential. I can't tell you how many young people I have run into with Master's degrees who are patheticaly ignorant and all but incompetent in everything except how to obtain student loans.

I do think that it would be nice if those that don't go to college at least graduate from high school being reasonably literate and informed citizens.

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