"Dreams From My Father" authorship?

Kate wrote: I'm having trouble understanding what is the difference between Birth Certificate and Certificate of Live Birth. To me, they seem to be the same thing, just different terminology.

The Certificate of Live Birth that Obama produced is a perfectly legal document and so far as I can tell it is acceptable for getting a US passport (though some sites may disagree, but I've found nothing specific).

When it was first released, the conspiracy theorists claimed among other things that it was Photoshoped and that there was no seal or it wasn't raised. All of this was disproved. So now they are insisting on the original document.

Here is an example of an original document from Hawaii in 1961. It's also called a Certificate of Live Birth...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

It contains additional info such as the hospital name and attending signatures. Of course, if Obama would ever produce one, the conspiracy crowd would call it fake too, just as they did before. But hey, why not go ahead and produce it? But maybe it no longer exits? Who knows. But if Hawaii said it no longer exits, imagine all the new conspiracy theories. But they would have to be conspiracies because many people from multiple administrations in Hawaii would have to be part of the coverup.

And BTW, if Obama doesn't want to release his transcripts, he doesn't have to. Just because doubters demand it means nothing. It's not a requirement. So far as I know, you don't even have to graduate from high school to be President.

CriticalBill wrote: I will say that at least LJ comes back occasionally with some Huff Post article to throw a counter punch...occasionally.

The OP quotes from a very right wing source in WorldNetDaily. The author of the book, Jack Cashill is a regular contributor there.

His theory is not new. Even back in 2008 before the election there were attempts to validate Cashill's theory which fell through...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5063279.ece

He believed that if “proof” of Ayers’s involvement was provided by an Oxford academic it would be political dynamite.

Fox contacted Millican, who said: “He was entirely upfront about this. He offered me $10,000 and sent me electronic versions of the text from both books.”

Millican took a preliminary look and found the charges “very implausible”. A deal was agreed for more detailed research but when Millican said the results had to be made public, even if no link to Ayers was proved, interest waned.

Millican said: “I thought it was extremely unlikely that we would get a positive result. It is the sort of thing where people make claims after seeing a few crude similarities and go overboard on them.” He said Fox gave him the impression that Cannon had got “cold feet about it being seen to be funded by the Republicans”.

Cashill has been obsessed with Obama. He's said a guy named Marshall Davis could be his real father...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/another_look_at_obamas_origins.html

The "Frank" in question is Frank Marshall Davis, a black communist, pornographer, and poet who had abandoned Chicago for Hawaii. In "Pop," it should be noted, the Pop character "recites an old poem" just before the reconciliation and reeks of whiskey. Davis would have been in his mid-seventies at the time. Some have theorized that Davis, in fact, is Obama's father and the "Pop" of the poem.

He's suggested Marshall Davis could of had sex with a young Obama's too...

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=272925

The "Pop" of the poem is a drunken poet who is plying the underage Obama with alcohol and quite possibly sex.

He's also questioned Obama's birth certificate (duh!) and passport too, and I could provide links on that as well.

This guy also goes back to Clinton days were he looked into Ron Brown's death.

Nmysys wrote:
Kresspin:

The Government of the United States has actually no provision for checking or certifying that a candidate meets this qualification.

So just anyone from anywhere in the world can just waltz into the United States, produce a fake document and become a candidate for President of the United States, huh? Have there been any calls to close that loophole?

BTW, do you have any proof that what you just stated is a fact? I find it very hard to believe becoming a candidate for president is as easy as running for the PTA.

archer wrote: I believe once he was deemed eligible to run for president, then elected....the burden of proof is on those who would question it.....it is you who have it backwards.

So, who deemed him eligible to run for president? Who investigated him and certified him? What was the process?

Answer:
There is no vetting/validation process for becoming a political party's candidate for president of the U.S.
There is no vetting/validation process for being elected president of the U.S.
There is no vetting/validation process before being sworn in as president of the U.S.

About the cerfitication of live birth:
The certification of live birth is not an official, original birth certificate nor is it a official certified copy of the original birth certificate.
A certification of live birth is a summation of information on the official original birth certificate.

The certification of live birth presented as Obama's is suspect as not authentic because of several factors, one of which is the "race" is given as African. African was not one of the choices for race back in 1961.

Official original birth certificates in a state's department files are never mailed to a person, but an official certified photocopy of the official original birth certificate is mailed. This official certified photocopy is stamped with the state department's seal, dated, signed, etc. The original never leaves the state department's files.

This is what is needed to verify Obama's birth: an official certified, sealed, dated, signed, copy of the official original birth certificate which is in the files of the state of Hawaii. A computer generated summation (certification of live birth) is not adequate.


By Obama supporters' logic, bank robbers must be stopped before they rob a bank. If they are not caught before the bank is robbed then they can no longer be arrested or convicted for bank robbery. Once they have the money, then they are the rightful owners of the money.
Stupid logic, don't you think?

Elvis really IS dead...

Good luck with your paranoia... All of those points have been answered... Your refusal to accept the answers is your problem...

You're going to need a LOT more aluminum foil...I understand that Sam's sells it in bulk.

using major bean's logic......you can be arrested because someone thinks you might have robbed a bank.......you are then guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. That's going to make things a lot easier on prosecuters across the nation. Stupid logic don't you think?

This is what I found from the Department of Hawaiian Homelands.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

According to this, it appears that the Certificate of Live Birth is an accepted document in the State of Hawaii.

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

archer wrote: using major bean's logic......you can be arrested because someone thinks you might have robbed a bank.......you are then guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. That's going to make things a lot easier on prosecuters across the nation. Stupid logic don't you think?

You are exactly right. You can be arrested because someone thinks that you might have robbed a bank.
The part that you surmise "you are then guilty until you can prove yourself innocent" is not the case. If that was the case Obama would be removed from office until he produced the documantation.

Come on! Think soberly!

Kate wrote: This is what I found from the Department of Hawaiian Homelands.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

According to this, it appears that the Certificate of Live Birth is an accepted document in the State of Hawaii.

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification.

The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

In 1961 and associated years, Hawaii would issue Certification of Live Birth would be issued to anyone. It is the dirty little open secret. It was easy access to U.S. citizenship in Hawaii. This practice has since been stopped.

The Certification of Live Birth on the internet is a forgery of a Hawaii state document. Let that soak in! This online document was NOT issued by the state of Hawaii. THAT is the reason that the long form birth certificate needs to be produced.

The Certification of Live Birth is bogus, not genuine.

LadyJazzer wrote: Elvis really IS dead...

Good luck with your paranoia... All of those points have been answered... Your refusal to accept the answers is your problem...

You're going to need a LOT more aluminum foil...I understand that Sam's sells it in bulk.

All of those points HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED. Just stating that they have been answered does not make your statement correct.

They may have been answered to YOUR SATISFACTION. But you are easily satisfied because you have your head in the sand.