Evergreen Fire Board Recall info....

19 Mar 2013 15:52 #41 by Nobody that matters

deltamrey wrote: Frog...I expected you to disagree.....common line.....but facts are facts. I have been a vol firefighter AND a career military tech/officer in 'NAM and in Subs.....so I have walked the talk. There is NO comparison.....NONE.

Compensation should be reviewed......your experience sounds reasonable. These boards IMHO should be service ......period.



From here: http://www.evergreenfirerescue.com/efpd-board/

"The EFPD is managed by a Board of Directors consisting of five volunteer members, elected by the voters in the district. "

The board is volunteer and is not paid for their time.

Thank you for your service. I'm sure you've seen things that wouldn't happen in civilian life. I still don't agree with you in that the board doesn't require an understanding of firefighting. In order to effectively run a department, they must know in detail what the department does. I will agree that the main skills required to be on the board are administrative: financial, interpersonal, negotiation and mediation, and organization. That's the main method that I'm going to use to judge the recall - in my opinion, the current board has not failed on any of those. In addition, the current board has numerous years of experience doing what they're currently administrating... that seems like a good thing to me.

You brought up the fire down south in which people were killed. I don't believe that was in this district, so the mistakes made on the burn are irrelevant to this discussion.

"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln

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19 Mar 2013 15:55 #42 by Nobody that matters

homeagain wrote: LABELS AND BOXES.........life is too short to "worry" about what "others" think of you.......social media is a "popularity
venue" that reminds me of high school and the "in' crowd, IF you don't CONFORM to their expectations you are "out"....JMO


I just expressed on opinion, and predicted that you would not change your posting style based on the comments...

My prediction was right :)

Not that it matters, I just like saying "I was right" It doesn't happen near often enough so I take 'em where I can get 'em.

"Whatever you are, be a good one." ~ Abraham Lincoln

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19 Mar 2013 23:02 #43 by FOS
I heard this debate has been cancelled.
Anyone know anything about that?

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19 Mar 2013 23:29 #44 by ScienceChic
That's what's been posted on EGBound , but no explanations.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

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24 Mar 2013 09:48 #45 by HappyCamper
I grabbed this link for Evergreenbound, it is very sad that our local channels do not feel they need to cover this story but CNN will.


http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-945455

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24 Mar 2013 10:52 - 24 Mar 2013 11:07 #46 by archer
I agree that the local media should be covering this, but to be fair, that isn't a CNN story but rather an ireport that anyone can put on CNNs website.

We have been following this as best we can from AZ, a NIMBY group run amok. We should be providing our firefighters with every easily accessible tool that we can.

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24 Mar 2013 11:06 #47 by HappyCamper
Archer,

I did not know that thank you for pointing it out.

I guess I really do not care how the information gets out and I for one want them to show both sides as it will show everyone what a waste of money this recall is because a few people threw a tantrum.

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01 Apr 2013 13:32 #48 by ScienceChic
It's not available online yet, but if you grab a copy of this month's Mountain Connection that just came out today, there's an article written by Daniel Koller for the recall and one by Chris Johnson who is the Deputy Chief of Operations for the Evergreen Volunteer Fire Dept against the recall on Page 22.

(P.S. Don't miss the Pulitzer-prize worthy article on Page 18 as well!) :jk2: :wink: lol :biggrin:

Edit to add: there's now a Facebook page for the No-Recall Group: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-Eve ... 5978374162 and a Facebook No-Recall Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/4428165 ... ts&fref=ts Please Like, and share their page, if you support this group.

There was an article in YourHub earlier in March as well: http://yourhub.denverpost.com/golden/fo ... i2DL-story and the discussion continues on EvergreenBound.com: http://www.evergreenbound.com/forums/vi ... 8&start=50

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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15 Apr 2013 21:07 #49 by Rest of the EG Citizens
Here is an article that should be read:

The Evergreen Curmudgeons Oppose the Fire District Recall , For Many Reasons

http://yourhub.denverpost.com/golden/evergreen-fire-protection-district-recall-election-vitally-important/y2EvOdxuQ5EdtqwdpSV8qJ-ugc

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23 Apr 2013 20:35 #50 by jf1acai
Per http://www.evfd.com/ , only 17% of those who voted actually voted for the recall, while 83% voted against.

Unfortunately, it appears that only about 20% of those qualified to vote actually bothered to do so.

IMO, this is sad.

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