Nmysys wrote: SC:
Talking about big pictures, let's elaborate. We all know you are and wish to be tolerant. But tolerance of something that you know so little of can end up being extremely harmful. This situation we have been discussing is nothing something that is or will happen over night. It is much more insidious than that. This is not assimilation as you would like to see it occur, it is a slow all encompassing take-over. The Muslim Hordes want to rule the world. I know, you will mock that because you believe that the Muslim people in general are a peaceful people. The problem is that you are only seeing that part that they wish for you to see. There are two faces of the Muslim World. It has been discussed before, but maybe I should remind you, that the Koran tells them that they Can and Should lie to Non-believers. It is alright to be deceitful to those who do not believe as they do, because the End Justifies the Means.
Yes, I believe that ultimately Sharia Law will be imposed on this country. There are already signs of it. A judge ruled that Sharia Law can be applied to a particular case, just two weeks ago here in this country. That sets a precedence! Look at Europe. Look at France and the U.K. and the Netherlands and see what the encroaching problem has become. We can't sit here and think that we are immune to this problem no matter how much we want to be immune, or think that it can't happen here. We have to be pro-active or it will get to be as big a problem here as it is there.
It is a wonderful thing that Liberals have, a feel good attitude. You all believe because you tell yourselves that you are tolerant, that you are doing the right thing. And the truth is that in many cases over the past decades that has worked and proven to be right, but not in a case where we are in a clash of civilizations. This has been going on forever, and this time they do not plan to lose. They are taking their time about it and slowly but surely they are encroaching on the world.
You can talk about respecting them because you believe they are devout in their faith, and in the places they want you to believe they are peaceful, you read it, and believe it. I say, open your eyes. This isn't about science, it is about reality.
Nmysys, thank you very much for this thoughtful, comprehensive reply. This response of yours is the kind of back and forth discussion for which the Courthouse is intended; other forums exist for other types of exchanges.
I don't disagree that Muslims would like to spread their religion and make it the dominant force in the world, it's what religions do (and what makes me dislike them so much). And if they do make Christianity a minority religion, which is something that Christianity has been aspiring to do to other religions since they came into existence, then it's merely Darwinian law - survival of the fittest. Sucks to think that we may be on the losing end, huh?
You know what we've got going for us though? Since WW1 we've been the dominant force in the world. Other countries citizens have adopted tons of American habits and ideals. In Europe, especially, religion itself has been losing prominence. For Muslims to "take over" other countries, they are going to have to convince people to give up mannerisms of dress, eating, living that I don't see them giving up easily. I get that you see it as insidious; I see their influence as having limits - people aren't going to stand for adopting their parochial, and rigid tenets.
Couple that, too, to the drastic environmental changes that many refuse to accept is already in the works, so there's been not enough active mitigation enacted, and survival is going to become the priority - we won't have to squabble over petty religious differences. Hmm, maybe that's why Middle Eastern countries have been escalating too - they have fewer natural resources on which to draw - for example, the don't have the fertile soil in enough abundance to grow enough food, especially with increasing drought conditions. The coming decades will not be rosy, for any of us.
You're right on Nmysys!
