jmc wrote: Hypocrisy is the issue, dems don't pretend to be holy , only repubs have the baggage of self righteousness that they ( or noboby else) can't live up too.
Can you give some examples of high profile Republicans the have advertised their "self righteousness" in the last decade? Maybe there are some but I don't remember except in the 1990s. If just a few say they are champions of "moral values", you really can't paint everyone with that brush just like there are Democrats who have associations with Communists, you can't paint all Democrats either.
It does make it nice and simple to do that and TRY to ingrain that image in the minds of voters though...both sides do it and it's just dishonest.
How about the dude from Focus on the Family? Of course he cheated on his wife with a male prostitute....does that count?
Ask any teenager....they will tell you that oral sex isn't really sex because they didn't go all the way. Maybe Bill was just a big teenager?
Archer:
If you asked any teenager prior to Clinton/Lewinsky you would have gotten a different answer. That means that he lowered the bar.
I'm going on recollection here....but I do recall at the time all the flack hit the fan about Clinton this was a point made over and over again....that the young people didn't consider a blow job as actual sex.
LadyJazzer wrote: A blow-job is hardly in the same category as cheating on two previous about-to-be-divorced ex-wives, with about-to-be-next-wives while trying to claim the high-road in marital sanctity... But it's fun to watch you try.
If you think Clinton's wanderings were limited to Ms. Lewinski and her oral talents on little Bill, I've got a bridge to nowhere I'd like to sell you.
FWIW LJ, I wouldn't trust anyone to keep a promise to me when he had proven that he couldn't keep the promise to forsake all others that he'd made to his wife. Newt may have the political bona fides from his previous years in the Congress, but his other activities make him someone I could not support in the quest to be the nominee of the party. I will be honest enough to say that given a choice between him and Obama I'd hold my nose and vote for Newt, but I would have to say that it would be more of a vote against Obama than a vote for his challenger.
You are all crazy to even discuss that it was not sex. That is not fidelity. So, you guys okay if your wife or husband gets oral sex without you knowing about it? That is no big deal you would just say glad you got a blow job today honey without telling me.
Get a grip CG....I didn't say it wasn't sex.....I was simply reporting that teenagers don't view it as sex. I in no way condone what Clinton did, nor do I think it's not sex or cheating. Please read before slaming us. No one here said it was OK what he did.