Obama VS bush, it's called class

Nobody that matters wrote: AGAIN, your quotes appear after these...
"I directed Leon Panetta"
"I was briefed on a possible lead"
"I met repeatedly with my national security team"

Which of those quotes is incorrect? What should he have said instead of "I"?

outdoor338 wrote: Not that simple archer, you don't get it..enough said!

I don't want to "get it" the way some of you do.......I would hate to be so prejudiced against my own president that I refused to see the good he did because I was blinded by hate. I never liked Bush....but I applauded his speech at Ground Zero, and joined with my fellow Americans,conservatives and liberals, to face the same enemy and support the president of my country. You seem incapable of doing that, no matter what the circumstances, and I find that incredibly sad. You aren't an American......you are a conservative-American, and being a conservative comes before being an American.

Kate wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote: AGAIN, your quotes appear after these...
"I directed Leon Panetta"
"I was briefed on a possible lead"
"I met repeatedly with my national security team"

Which of those quotes is incorrect? What should he have said instead of "I"?

A good leader gives credit and takes blame.

Original:
"And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda. Even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle and defeat his network. Then last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain. And it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we could located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
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My re-write:
"And so shortly after taking office, Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, made the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda. Even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle and defeat his network. Then last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, a possible lead to bin Laden was obtained. It was far from certain. And it took many months to run this thread to ground. My national security team met often as we developed more information about the possibility that we could located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside Pakistan. And finally, last week, we had enough intelligence to take action and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. "

archer wrote: I don't want to "get it" the way some of you do.......I would hate to be so prejudiced against my own president that I refused to see the good he did because I was blinded by hate. I never liked Bush....but I applauded his speech at Ground Zero, and joined with my fellow Americans,conservatives and liberals, to face the same enemy and support the president of my country. You seem incapable of doing that, no matter what the circumstances, and I find that incredibly sad. You aren't an American......you are a conservative-American, and being a conservative comes before being an American.

Obama did a good thing. It was an impressive decision. Then he screwed up on the announcement.

Nobody that matters wrote:

Kate wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote: AGAIN, your quotes appear after these...
"I directed Leon Panetta"
"I was briefed on a possible lead"
"I met repeatedly with my national security team"

Which of those quotes is incorrect? What should he have said instead of "I"?

A good leader gives credit and takes blame.

Original:
"And so shortly after taking office, I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda. Even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle and defeat his network. Then last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, I was briefed on a possible lead to bin Laden. It was far from certain. And it took many months to run this thread to ground. I met repeatedly with my national security team as we developed more information about the possibility that we could located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside Pakistan. And finally, last week, I determined that we had enough intelligence to take action and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
"

My re-write:
"And so shortly after taking office, Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, made the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority of our war against al Qaeda. Even as we continued our broader efforts to disrupt, dismantle and defeat his network. Then last August, after years of painstaking work by our intelligence community, a possible lead to bin Laden was obtained. It was far from certain. And it took many months to run this thread to ground. My national security team met often as we developed more information about the possibility that we could located bin Laden hiding within a compound deep inside Pakistan. And finally, last week, we had enough intelligence to take action and authorized an operation to get Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice. "

Those changes wouldn't have made any difference in how conservatives viewed his speech.....read the OP, outdoor also highlighted the "we"s in his speech. Nothing short of Obama coming out and saying Osama was killed by the military and all the credit goes to Bush and the SEALS, and he (Obama) was taking a nap at the time and knew nothing about it, would satisfy outdoor and others here. Even then, they would really only be satisfied if Obama would just go away. Must suck to be a conservative right now.

archer wrote: Must suck to be a conservative right now.

Yeah, but it's kinda like being down in a poker game, but suddenly discovering your opponent's 'tell'. You know then that it's just a waiting game.

I think that if President Obama gave that speech you altered, Nobody That Matters, the conservatives on this board would have criticized him for not being man enough to take the credit for ordering the mission. They would have called him a weak leader.

Just my opinion, but based on the posts here by conservatives, that's my conclusion. Nothing the President does will ever please them. He could have video footage of him firing the shot that killed bin Laden and you all would still say "It took two bullets to kill bin Laden? A true leader (and fiscal conservative) would've used only one."

Nobody that matters wrote: AGAIN, your quotes appear after these...
"I directed Leon Panetta"
"I was briefed on a possible lead"
"I met repeatedly with my national security team"

Soulshiner wrote: AGAIN, from the speech where President Obama informed the nation of the situation:

"Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who've worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice.

We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day."

Please keep this up, it's fun showing how your credibility is destroyed.

Please keep acting as stubbornly ignorant as the Windy Point retaining wall... It's rather amusing.

Yeah, you wouldn't want the President to inform you of him fulfilling his duty and explaining to the nation he leads who decided to go ahead with such an operation. I mean, it's not like he's the decider who flew in on a fighter jet under a banner reading mission accomplished or anything. That says I more than anything President Obama said and it wasn't even true. At least President Obama fulfilled his duty and informed the nation he leads that he took action when his predecessor didn't and didn't make it a huge photo op.

archer wrote: If this operation had failed, and Obama gave a speech to the nation, the conservatives here would be crying that he didn't say "I" enough times. In typical partisan fashion, Obama will never get credit for doing something right, and will get ALL the blame is something goes wrong.

This thread has nothing to do with Bush vs Obama in class or anything else...it's just an opportunity for some to whine, and cry, and moan, and bitch about a president that they hate. Pretty simple actually.

It is pretty simple archer. The coach never seeks credit for a win, he gives it to the team.

A good coach always gives credit to the team when they win and accepts the blame, for not preparing them well enough, not devising a winning game plan, or not calling the right play at a critical moment, when they lose. And when the team does lose and the coach accepts the blame when it isn't his fault the team absolves him and saddles themselves with the blame.

A good coach knows he doesn't have to give himself credit for putting together a winning game plan - for calling the right play at a critical juncture during the contest - the team will do that after he has given them the accolades they earned on the field in executing the plan and the plays.

Sorry printsmith, but this wasn't a game. Comparing this operation to some football game, demeans not only the president, but the SEALS who put their lives on the line.