Florida governor signs welfare drug-screen measure

So are you saying that you are OK giving your tax dollars to people who are going out and spending it on Meth and Crack? Which in essense means you support giving your money to people to use for criminal activity. Interesting how liberals think........[/quote]


I say if they wanna OD or kill themselves so be it, 1 less ass in the pool. I will shoot your ass if you try to f' with me or my family criminal wise. Get outa my life and let me handle it.
Better read up Vike.

jmc wrote:

The Viking wrote:

jmc wrote: So much for small government lovers.Gov intrusion at its worst., Lets test student loan recipients, medicare and SS , disability people. Seniors get gov help . Lets drug test everyone. Great Idea. Hypocrites!
Better yet set up a department of " drug test everybody that gets help form the Gov." Great use of tax money. moronic , and I am being kind.

So are you saying that you are OK giving your tax dollars to people who are going out and spending it on Meth and Crack? Interesting how liberals think........

Be consistent, if that too much to ask ? One and all. If you drug test every recipient of Gov. dole. I may support it but to single out one group of the dole seems hypocritical. Small Gov, my ass. You just want big gov to enforce your moral BS.

An angry rant does not make your case for you. Especially when it is totally opposite of the truth. First and foremost Republicans want to get rid of Government waste. And giving money to those who spend it on drugs is a huge start. They support the dealers. Which in turn supports crime. Which also costs taxpayers much more money. And on top of that it decreses the value of neighborhoods when people are taking money from the government and spending it on drugs. I gave up an apartment building due to that. My tenants were getting checks from the government and buying Meth like crazy. They didn't pay their rent and I saw their kids going hungry. It was hard for me to throw them in the street with kids who didn't deserve parents like that and did not ask for that life. I use to feed them when I could while their parents kept using because the government kept giving them money. After the real estate market tanked, and I had many judgements against government supported meth users, I finally let the bank take it back for someone else to deal with. They never even tried to get jobs as their drug money was just handed to them. And no one cared what it was being spent on. No wonder under the Liberal controlled congress and President, our deficit has grown faster than ever in history.

Morals my backside. What we are looking for is to make sure that the money being confiscated from us and used in aiding the sophistry of "general welfare" that the progressives have employed not be used to subsidize the violation of the nation's laws. We are, after all, supposed to be a nation of laws, aren't we? Why should we be providing a social safety net to someone who is knowingly and purposefully violating the law? Do you think they are deserving of the national charity. Those safety net programs are going to have to be reduced along with the rest of the federal and states' budgets, so tell me why isn't this the most logical place to start reducing the burden placed on the shoulders of the taxpayers? If we can eliminate the users, pushers and dropouts from the rolls, we can still provide a level of safety nets to those who are truly doing all that they can to help themselves who have simply fallen on hard times. If you are taking care of yourself rather than having everyone else chip in to take care of you, you don't have to worry about the government intruding into your life to ensure that you are drug free. Your employer perhaps, but not the federal government.

Most private employers do the drug screening to enhance their productivity and lower their insurance costs. After all, if you don't have a drug using workforce, you will have less of them enrolling in the drug abuse treatment programs the government requires every policy sold to contain, which could keep your insurance premiums down on the company (or government) provided benefits plan that you receive in addition to your wages.

Charity, private or public, needs to have a price attached to its receipt jmc. If it doesn't, then there are fewer reasons to prevent you from seeking the charity and perhaps even more reasons to seek it when it isn't actually needed. Why should we hand out welfare to people who dropped out of school before their secondary education was completed? Why should we hand out welfare to people so that they don't have to work to pay for their addictions or recreational abuse of drugs? Why should we help feed them, shelter them and clothe them without any strings attached?

Martin Ent Inc wrote: So are you saying that you are OK giving your tax dollars to people who are going out and spending it on Meth and Crack? Which in essense means you support giving your money to people to use for criminal activity. Interesting how liberals think........

I say if they wanna OD or kill themselves so be it, 1 less ass in the pool. I will shoot your ass if you try to f' with me or my family criminal wise. Get outa my life and let me handle it.
Better read up Vike.[/quote]

Another rambling rant that makes no sense. You guys never answer the questions do you? Are you OK with giving your tax dollars to people to spend it on Meth and Crack? And what do you mean 'Get outa my life and let me handle it.'? This subject is IN your life. You are paying for drugs. Are you OK with that? And better read up on what?

I know I gave you too many questions and you will again be able to avoid the ones I really want answered. We can try again a forth or fifth time later.

jmc wrote: Better yet set up a department of " drug test everybody that gets help form the Gov." Great use of tax money. moronic , and I am being kind.

On the contrary, there are plenty of commercial labs that are already in business that perform drug screening for private industry, I have had to take a drug test as a part of getting a job at every company I have worked at. In fact I'm willing to bet that there would be quite a bit of competition for these new lucrative state contracts, if the state was smart about it the contracts would be at a fixed price. All of that increased testing means businesses need more staff to keep up with the demand; new jobs and tax savings?!

I hear what you're saying out there "But Uncle Otis, the state still has to pony up the cash for the tests. This means that even more tax money has to be spent to support this program!" How about taking some or all of the testing fees out of the benefit each welfare recipient is getting? After recipients come up clean 90 days in a row only test on a random basis. Fail the test? Sorry no check for you this month but here is a referral to several self supporting organizations who will help you kick the habit, come back next month and we'll see if you test positive again.

"But Uncle Otis, what about corruption? You know how easy it is to pay off a state worker, the system will be broken in no time." Quality control mechanisms can easily be included in the testing process, labs that break the rules don't get anymore contracts, state employees who break the rules get fired.

Still don't like drug testing as a requirement for getting welfare? You're a citizen (if you aren't why are you entitled to welfare?), pick up pen and paper, visit the library and use the public computers to send e-mail, and/or call your elected representatives, express your opinions and ask them to change the law.

PrintSmith wrote: Morals my backside. What we are looking for is to make sure that the money being confiscated from us and used in aiding the sophistry of "general welfare" that the progressives have employed not be used to subsidize the violation of the nation's laws. We are, after all, supposed to be a nation of laws, aren't we? Why should we be providing a social safety net to someone who is knowingly and purposefully violating the law? Do you think they are deserving of the national charity. Those safety net programs are going to have to be reduced along with the rest of the federal and states' budgets, so tell me why isn't this the most logical place to start reducing the burden placed on the shoulders of the taxpayers? If we can eliminate the users, pushers and dropouts from the rolls, we can still provide a level of safety nets to those who are truly doing all that they can to help themselves who have simply fallen on hard times. If you are taking care of yourself rather than having everyone else chip in to take care of you, you don't have to worry about the government intruding into your life to ensure that you are drug free. Your employer perhaps, but not the federal government.

Most private employers do the drug screening to enhance their productivity and lower their insurance costs. After all, if you don't have a drug using workforce, you will have less of them enrolling in the drug abuse treatment programs the government requires every policy sold to contain, which could keep your insurance premiums down on the company (or government) provided benefits plan that you receive in addition to your wages.

Charity, private or public, needs to have a price attached to its receipt jmc. If it doesn't, then there are fewer reasons to prevent you from seeking the charity and perhaps even more reasons to seek it when it isn't actually needed. Why should we hand out welfare to people who dropped out of school before their secondary education was completed? Why should we hand out welfare to people so that they don't have to work to pay for their addictions or recreational abuse of drugs? Why should we help feed them, shelter them and clothe them without any strings attached?

Great post! And great point! So jmc are you saying that they shouldn't be able to test them for drugs for government jobs either?

The Viking wrote:

jmc wrote:

The Viking wrote:

jmc wrote: So much for small government lovers.Gov intrusion at its worst., Lets test student loan recipients, medicare and SS , disability people. Seniors get gov help . Lets drug test everyone. Great Idea. Hypocrites!
Better yet set up a department of " drug test everybody that gets help form the Gov." Great use of tax money. moronic , and I am being kind.

So are you saying that you are OK giving your tax dollars to people who are going out and spending it on Meth and Crack? Interesting how liberals think........

Be consistent, if that too much to ask ? One and all. If you drug test every recipient of Gov. dole. I may support it but to single out one group of the dole seems hypocritical. Small Gov, my ass. You just want big gov to enforce your moral BS.

An angry rant does not make your case for you. Especially when it is totally opposite of the truth. First and foremost Republicans want to get rid of Government waste. And giving money to those who spend it on drugs is a huge start. They support the dealers. Which in turn supports crime. Which also costs taxpayers much more money. And on top of that it decreses the value of neighborhoods when people are taking money from the government and spending it on drugs. I gave up an apartment building due to that. My tenants were getting checks from the government and buying Meth like crazy. They didn't pay their rent and I saw their kids going hungry. It was hard for me to throw them in the street with kids who didn't deserve parents like that and did not ask for that life. I use to feed them when I could while their parents kept using because the government kept giving them money. After the real estate market tanked, and I had many judgements against government supported meth users, I finally let the bank take it back for someone else to deal with. They never even tried to get jobs as their drug money was just handed to them. And no one cared what it was being spent on. No wonder under the Liberal controlled congress and President, our deficit has grown faster than ever in history.

Sounds like a personal problem, why should I pay to drug test your bad decision on choosing a tenant? Don't you see the hypocrisy? You made or lost money on your own decision, I have no responsibility to pay to drug test every body you choose to exploit for your own monetary gain. As PS said , there are plenty of testing facilities, pay for it yourself and get off trying to suck on the dole of Gov.

archer wrote: hmmmmm....it does seem that growing government is OK as long as that growth caters to the conservatives. I'm one of those progressives that thinks government intrusion into my personal life is not progress.......my words to government....butt out of my life.....

Why can't you guys make sense and use logic? You say butt out of your life? THEY ARE ALREADY IN YOUR LIFE!! TAKING YOUR MONEY AND GIVING IT TO PEOPLE TO BUY DRUGS!! You guys never answer the questions do you? Are you OK with giving your tax dollars to people to spend it on Meth and Crack?

jmc wrote:

The Viking wrote:

jmc wrote:

The Viking wrote:

jmc wrote: So much for small government lovers.Gov intrusion at its worst., Lets test student loan recipients, medicare and SS , disability people. Seniors get gov help . Lets drug test everyone. Great Idea. Hypocrites!
Better yet set up a department of " drug test everybody that gets help form the Gov." Great use of tax money. moronic , and I am being kind.

So are you saying that you are OK giving your tax dollars to people who are going out and spending it on Meth and Crack? Interesting how liberals think........

Be consistent, if that too much to ask ? One and all. If you drug test every recipient of Gov. dole. I may support it but to single out one group of the dole seems hypocritical. Small Gov, my ass. You just want big gov to enforce your moral BS.

An angry rant does not make your case for you. Especially when it is totally opposite of the truth. First and foremost Republicans want to get rid of Government waste. And giving money to those who spend it on drugs is a huge start. They support the dealers. Which in turn supports crime. Which also costs taxpayers much more money. And on top of that it decreses the value of neighborhoods when people are taking money from the government and spending it on drugs. I gave up an apartment building due to that. My tenants were getting checks from the government and buying Meth like crazy. They didn't pay their rent and I saw their kids going hungry. It was hard for me to throw them in the street with kids who didn't deserve parents like that and did not ask for that life. I use to feed them when I could while their parents kept using because the government kept giving them money. After the real estate market tanked, and I had many judgements against government supported meth users, I finally let the bank take it back for someone else to deal with. They never even tried to get jobs as their drug money was just handed to them. And no one cared what it was being spent on. No wonder under the Liberal controlled congress and President, our deficit has grown faster than ever in history.

Sounds like a personal problem, why should I pay to drug test your bad decision on choosing a tenant? Don't you see the hypocrisy? You made or lost money on your own decision, I have no responsibility to pay to drug test every body you choose to exploit for your own monetary gain.

Ring! Ring!!! Helloooooo this is logic and common sense calling! JMC please pick up!! You are already paying for their drugs!!! What part of that don't you get??? So you get one of two choices. You can either just give money for them for their drugs, or you can pay actual working people to screen them to make sure the money goes to families who will use it to feed their kids and keep a roof over their head. You choose. Personally I would rather the money goes to people who will use it for their families and not drugs. You can stick your head in the sand and say you don't care what happens with your tax dollars and wonder why all the waste is driving up our debt, but most Republicans won't.

The Viking wrote:

jmc wrote:

The Viking wrote:

jmc wrote:

The Viking wrote:

jmc wrote: So much for small government lovers.Gov intrusion at its worst., Lets test student loan recipients, medicare and SS , disability people. Seniors get gov help . Lets drug test everyone. Great Idea. Hypocrites!
Better yet set up a department of " drug test everybody that gets help form the Gov." Great use of tax money. moronic , and I am being kind.

So are you saying that you are OK giving your tax dollars to people who are going out and spending it on Meth and Crack? Interesting how liberals think........

Be consistent, if that too much to ask ? One and all. If you drug test every recipient of Gov. dole. I may support it but to single out one group of the dole seems hypocritical. Small Gov, my ass. You just want big gov to enforce your moral BS.

An angry rant does not make your case for you. Especially when it is totally opposite of the truth. First and foremost Republicans want to get rid of Government waste. And giving money to those who spend it on drugs is a huge start. They support the dealers. Which in turn supports crime. Which also costs taxpayers much more money. And on top of that it decreses the value of neighborhoods when people are taking money from the government and spending it on drugs. I gave up an apartment building due to that. My tenants were getting checks from the government and buying Meth like crazy. They didn't pay their rent and I saw their kids going hungry. It was hard for me to throw them in the street with kids who didn't deserve parents like that and did not ask for that life. I use to feed them when I could while their parents kept using because the government kept giving them money. After the real estate market tanked, and I had many judgements against government supported meth users, I finally let the bank take it back for someone else to deal with. They never even tried to get jobs as their drug money was just handed to them. And no one cared what it was being spent on. No wonder under the Liberal controlled congress and President, our deficit has grown faster than ever in history.

Sounds like a personal problem, why should I pay to drug test your bad decision on choosing a tenant? Don't you see the hypocrisy? You made or lost money on your own decision, I have no responsibility to pay to drug test every body you choose to exploit for your own monetary gain.

Ring! Ring!!! Helloooooo this is logic and common sense calling! JMC please pick up!! You are already paying for their drugs!!! What part of that don't you get??? So you get one of two choices. You can either just give money for them for their drugs, or you can pay actual working people to screen them to make sure the money goes to families who will use it to feed their kids and keep a roof over their head. You choose. Personally I would rather the money goes to people who will use it for their families and not drugs. You can stick your head in the sand and say you don't care what happens with your tax dollars and wonder why all the waste is driving up our debt, but most Republicans won't.

You conveniently avoided the question . Are you asking me to pay to protect your rental property from drug using, govt. sucking scum, so you don't get stuck with a bad tenant? Sounds that way to me. DRUG TEST them yourself. Not my job.