death of the Democratic Party

Make up your minds. Are corporations citizens or aren't they? Citizens pay, through their taxes for the use of the national infrastructure. If they aren't citizens they should be allowed 0 input into our national politics. We've allowed our system to be skewed, and you guys have been bamboozled by these giant corporations (whose profits are at an all time high yet they've cut personnel) are being victimized by our tax code. Even though many of them pay less in taxes than the recieve in subsidies. china has shown us what unbridled capitalism looks like. It's no different than communism. What makes America unique (or did in the past) was our ability to exploit the best of multiple economic systems. We didn't have "experts" running our economy, we had businessmen running it. Rigt now we are in debt. The requirement that we pay our debts is a Constitutionally mandated one. We cannot achieve this through partisan means. Neither tax increases nor spending cuts are sufficient to the tax. We HAVE to do both. Yes, it hurts. Get over it. It's our responsibility. Quot acring like a bunch of whiny little brats, suck it up and step up to the plate. The alternative is downright unamerican.

I've made up my mind, your ideas are whacked and make no sense, neither mathematically or economically. Yet you call us "whiny little brats", you are just an ignorant fool who has no idea of the mess this country is in and how to get out of it. Go ahead tax the rich, see how far that will get you. You show the mentality of a three year old brat.

BearMtnHIB wrote: chickaree - I think conifermtman is right, you have been bamboozled by the left.

There really is no such thing as a corporate tax because every dollar of overhead that corporations pay has to be passed down to the consumer, and 90% of the time that means the middle class. The left would like you to think that the oil companies are evil, but the government makes many times the profit the oil company makes just in taxes.

Oil is the biggest revenue generator for the feds.

The "blame the rich" agenda that the left keeps harping on over and over is also just a tatic to get the average joe and jane to think of job creators and the wealthy as evil. You could tax them at 100%- and still not even put a dent into the big government debt. You could steal all of their money- and still not even get a start on paying off what has already been spent. You have to acknowledge that this is a big government problem.

This mess we are in was not created by corporations, not created by those who earn a living, not created by those who provide jobs- it was created by those who advocate big government. Don't buy into their class warfare tatic- the rich did not get us into 14 trillion of debt, the government did that!

Who owns the oil on public lands? You seem to believe that oil belongs by right to the oil companies rather than the public. The public should be paid for the use of their natural resources. further, the world market sets the price of oil, so the oil companies would have to dip into their record profits if their subsidies were cut off. And the rich did get us into the deficit, since they received the bulk of the unfunded tax breaks back in 2002 that started the ball rolling.

And how many jobs have the "rich" created since receiving those unfunded tax breaks. Corporations are sitting on record amounts of money, yet fail to create the jobs that were promised.

They've been "sitting on it" for the last 10 years. If cutting taxes created jobs, then where are all the jobs that should have been created in the 10 years since the Bush tax-cuts went into effect? It was a lie then, and it's a lie now.

Funny to see the silly arguments from the commies- you all start from the position that the wealth people and corporations earn belong to the government.

I start from the position that the wealth people and companies make belongs to the people and the companies that worked hard and created it.

The companies didn't make government grow to 3.8 trillion a year- government did that!
The taxpayers didn't get government 14 trillion in debt- the government did that!

Now they want to steal more of the hard earned money that companies and workers earn.

That's what's immoral- the government grows without the consent of the governed and it expects those of us against this crazy massive government to pay the bills no matter what they want to spend.

You silly socialists! Your game is nearly over - you all done spent us into bankruptcy- you all destroyed our country!

"government grows without the consent of the governed"

That's a lie... But you knew that....


If cutting taxes created jobs, then where are all the jobs that should have been created in the 10 years since the Bush tax-cuts went into effect? It was a lie then, and it's a lie now.

Something the Dog Said wrote:

BearMtnHIB wrote: chickaree - I think conifermtman is right, you have been bamboozled by the left.

There really is no such thing as a corporate tax because every dollar of overhead that corporations pay has to be passed down to the consumer, and 90% of the time that means the middle class. The left would like you to think that the oil companies are evil, but the government makes many times the profit the oil company makes just in taxes.

Oil is the biggest revenue generator for the feds.

The "blame the rich" agenda that the left keeps harping on over and over is also just a tatic to get the average joe and jane to think of job creators and the wealthy as evil. You could tax them at 100%- and still not even put a dent into the big government debt. You could steal all of their money- and still not even get a start on paying off what has already been spent. You have to acknowledge that this is a big government problem.

This mess we are in was not created by corporations, not created by those who earn a living, not created by those who provide jobs- it was created by those who advocate big government. Don't buy into their class warfare tatic- the rich did not get us into 14 trillion of debt, the government did that!

Who owns the oil on public lands? You seem to believe that oil belongs by right to the oil companies rather than the public. The public should be paid for the use of their natural resources. further, the world market sets the price of oil, so the oil companies would have to dip into their record profits if their subsidies were cut off. And the rich did get us into the deficit, since they received the bulk of the unfunded tax breaks back in 2002 that started the ball rolling.

And how many jobs have the "rich" created since receiving those unfunded tax breaks. Corporations are sitting on record amounts of money, yet fail to create the jobs that were promised.

Did you pay for the exploration costs and drilling for that oil? The oil companies did pay for those mineral rights by the way, so apparently they own the oil.

LJ- Companies and investors are going to wait until there's a better environment to invest in, and that means until we get this socialist out of the white house.

Don't expect anyone to invest in a socialist USA- the money is on strike!

The money and the investors are ON STRIKE! You know what a strike is LJ- and they have a right to with hold their investment until this anti-business administration is gone.

Now you can see what badmouthing the producers gets ya.

LadyJazzer wrote: "government grows without the consent of the governed"

That's a lie... But you knew that....


If cutting taxes created jobs, then where are all the jobs that should have been created in the 10 years since the Bush tax-cuts went into effect? It was a lie then, and it's a lie now.

For most of Bush's terms unemployment was below 6% which is considered full employment. How is Barry doing with his economic stimulus?

conifermtman wrote: I've made up my mind, your ideas are whacked and make no sense, neither mathematically or economically. Yet you call us "whiny little brats", you are just an ignorant fool who has no idea of the mess this country is in and how to get out of it. Go ahead tax the rich, see how far that will get you. You show the mentality of a three year old brat.

Get over yourself CMM. Most of you, left and right are whiney. You are not willing to give an inch of your partisan positions for the future well being of your country. You think that if you just get all the welfare queens off their dead asses, abolish taxation and lift regulation on industry that the good times will roll. The left thinks that if we tax the the wealthy, cinch shut a few loopholes in the tax code and gut government subsidies we're golden. You are both wrong. The problem is too big for half measures and both parties bear equal responsibility for our position. Nothing but an all out effort with sacrifices from both sides will be suffucient to the tax. All you do is blindly buttress your own position. You expect everyone to suffer but you, yet you call me whiney? That's rich.