death of the Democratic Party

conifermtman wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote:

BearMtnHIB wrote: chickaree - I think conifermtman is right, you have been bamboozled by the left.

There really is no such thing as a corporate tax because every dollar of overhead that corporations pay has to be passed down to the consumer, and 90% of the time that means the middle class. The left would like you to think that the oil companies are evil, but the government makes many times the profit the oil company makes just in taxes.

Oil is the biggest revenue generator for the feds.

The "blame the rich" agenda that the left keeps harping on over and over is also just a tatic to get the average joe and jane to think of job creators and the wealthy as evil. You could tax them at 100%- and still not even put a dent into the big government debt. You could steal all of their money- and still not even get a start on paying off what has already been spent. You have to acknowledge that this is a big government problem.

This mess we are in was not created by corporations, not created by those who earn a living, not created by those who provide jobs- it was created by those who advocate big government. Don't buy into their class warfare tatic- the rich did not get us into 14 trillion of debt, the government did that!

Who owns the oil on public lands? You seem to believe that oil belongs by right to the oil companies rather than the public. The public should be paid for the use of their natural resources. further, the world market sets the price of oil, so the oil companies would have to dip into their record profits if their subsidies were cut off. And the rich did get us into the deficit, since they received the bulk of the unfunded tax breaks back in 2002 that started the ball rolling.

And how many jobs have the "rich" created since receiving those unfunded tax breaks. Corporations are sitting on record amounts of money, yet fail to create the jobs that were promised.

Did you pay for the exploration costs and drilling for that oil? The oil companies did pay for those mineral rights by the way, so apparently they own the oil.

Of course they paid, that was my point. You were the one complaining about the government "making" more money than the oil companies. My point is that the oil companies should be paying for using the public's natural resources.

BearMtnHIB wrote: LJ- Companies and investors are going to wait until there's a better environment to invest in, and that means until we get this socialist out of the white house.

Don't expect anyone to invest in a socialist USA- the money is on strike!

The money and the investors are ON STRIKE! You know what a strike is LJ- and they have a right to with hold their investment until this anti-business administration is gone.

Now you can see what badmouthing the producers gets ya.

Just think their is 1 trillion dollars sitting overseas in bank accounts that could be repatriated to the USA. But that won't happen because the tax rates are too high. If that money is not given a tax holiday we will never see the benefit of it because other countries will be more than happy to take the investment. I think its time for a tax holiday to get the economy going. LJ's head is exploding right about now.

On strike even though it hurts the nation? And this makes them better than the unions how? If they are on strike they should be denied access to the American consumer.

If cutting taxes created jobs, then where are all the jobs that should have been created in the 10 years since the Bush tax-cuts went into effect? It was a lie then, and it's a lie now.

Bush only created 8million in 8 years... Clinton created 23.1 Million in 8 years...and that was with the PRE-Bush tax-rate levels...

So, where are the jobs?

chickaree wrote:

conifermtman wrote: I've made up my mind, your ideas are whacked and make no sense, neither mathematically or economically. Yet you call us "whiny little brats", you are just an ignorant fool who has no idea of the mess this country is in and how to get out of it. Go ahead tax the rich, see how far that will get you. You show the mentality of a three year old brat.

Get over yourself CMM. Most of you, left and right are whiney. You are not willing to give an inch of your partisan positions for the future well being of your country. You think that if you just get all the welfare queens off their dead asses, abolish taxation and lift regulation on industry that the good times will roll. The left thinks that if we tax the the wealthy, cinch shut a few loopholes in the tax code and gut government subsidies we're golden. You are both wrong. The problem is too big for half measures and both parties bear equal responsibility for our position. Nothing but an all out effort with sacrifices from both sides will be suffucient to the tax. All you do is blindly buttress your own position. You expect everyone to suffer but you, yet you call me whiney? That's rich.

Who says I'm not suffering. My photography business is in the tank because of our dumb-ass president and the fools that follow him. Under the Bush years I was doing great. Under Obama all the capital has been sucked up by the government and no one has any disposable income left. If it wasn't for me being a software architect in oil and gas my family would be screwed. I have never made money from a poor person, but I have made money from middle class clients when the economy was moving along at a nice pace. Obama and the Democrats have done everything in their power to screw up the economy. They have made all the bad choices and left the economy in worse shape then when they "inherited" it from Bush. I don't want anyone to suffer, I want everybody to prosper, unfortunately for Democrats they lose power when people do. A rising tide lifts all boats.

Ask Obama- it's all part of that hope and change thingy!

Obama said he was going to create jobs- ask him where the jobs are- he has an e-mail address so you should e-mail him about it.

conifermtman wrote: A rising tide lifts all boats.

Then why did the tide go from a surplus to a $4-trillion deficit in 8 years, with jobs being lost at the rate of 750,000/month before Bush left office? Looks to me like Bush's "tide" had about the same effect as the Titanic...

LadyJazzer wrote: If cutting taxes created jobs, then where are all the jobs that should have been created in the 10 years since the Bush tax-cuts went into effect? It was a lie then, and it's a lie now.

Bush only created 8million in 8 years... Clinton created 23.1 Million in 8 years...and that was with the PRE-Bush tax-rate levels...

So, where are the jobs?

That statement is really stupid when you consider during most of Bush's term the unemployment rate was under 6% which is considered full employment. Who should he have been creating jobs for? Also, Bush took over during the dotcom bust, many of the jobs created in tech were bullsh** and you know it too or were you working for the government back then too?

LadyJazzer wrote:

conifermtman wrote: A rising tide lifts all boats.

Then why did the tide go from a surplus to a $4-trillion deficit in 8 years, with jobs being lost at the rate of 750,000/month when Bush left office? Looks to me like Bush's "tide" had about the same effect as the Titanic...

What has Obama done that has been successful at creating new jobs?

Who says I'm not suffering. My photography business is in the tank because of our dumb-ass president and the fools that follow him. Under the Bush years I was doing great. Under Obama all the capital has been sucked up by the government and no one has any disposable income left. If it wasn't for me being a software architect in oil and gas my family would be screwed. I have never made money from a poor person, but I have made money from middle class clients when the economy was moving along at a nice pace. Obama and the Democrats have done everything in their power to screw up the economy. They have made all the bad choices and left the economy in worse shape then when they "inherited" it from Bush. I don't want anyone to suffer, I want everybody to prosper, unfortunately for Democrats they lose power when people do. A rising tide lifts all boats.

I think we are all feeling the pain of DC policy now. Every one of us - either personally- or we know a family member who is hurting- or a neighbor who is having hard times.

I think the whole country knows who owns this economy- and it ain't Bush.