Obama to unveil new jobs program

flawed logic PS....the stimulus money paid for projects that created jobs......those projects include materials, equipment etc.....not simply the wages of those who gained employment. If you have any familiarity with construction work you would know that the material and equipment costs far outweigh the wages of the workers. We just had our road graded, most of the money went into the use of equipment and cost of road base than went into the salaries of the workers. We were our own neighborhood stimulus package for the foothills!

The money you spent went to more than employing the people on the job archer. Someone had to collect, mix and deliver the road base, someone had to build the equipment, someone had to get the crude oil for the fuel out of the ground and refine it into diesel. When you are paying the contractor, they are paying someone else to employ the workers to secure the materials and equipment he uses as well as the labor he has hired. That is how the Obama administration got to 3 million jobs. It wasn't just the workers grading your road, it was all the jobs saved or created along the way in addition to the folks you saw grading your road.

PrintSmith wrote: The money you spent went to more than employing the people on the job archer. Someone had to collect, mix and deliver the road base, someone had to build the equipment, someone had to get the crude oil for the fuel out of the ground and refine it into diesel. When you are paying the contractor, they are paying someone else to employ the workers to secure the materials and equipment he uses as well as the labor he has hired. That is how the Obama administration got to 3 million jobs. It wasn't just the workers grading your road, it was all the jobs saved or created along the way in addition to the folks you saw grading your road.

Exactly the point. That's why your post on the stimulus money was so wrong. It isn't just the jobs created, it's everything those jobs accomplished, and everything those workers used in their jobs. and all the associated costs with fuel, materials, equipment, etc. You cannot simply divide the stimulus dollars by the number of jobs created or saved. I saw so many projects on our trip out east this summer that were a result of the stimulus money.......if that money had not been spent those roads, bridges, buildings, etc would not be worked on.....the people who built them would still be unemployed, and the nation would be the poorer for it.

You are missing the point archer. The 3 million saved or created jobs includes the jobs for securing the road base and building the equipment. It wasn't just for the workers you saw grading your road, it included all of the jobs you didn't see being done in addition to the ones you saw working on your road - that is why every job saved or created by SwindleUs came at a cost of roughly $275K. The outlay included the cost of the materials and equipment, but it also counted the jobs saved or created done by the folks that mixed the road base and built the equipment that you didn't see in addition to the ones that you did see.

You seem to be the one missing the point...you can't take the dollars spent divided by the number of jobs and claim that was the cost per job. You are not taking into account the cost of materials, the cost of equipment, the value of the finished product or job, or the profit to the small business or company that did the job and actually hired the workers. It was a stmulus....not a job fair.

I am including the jobs that it took to make the material and the equipment in the saved or created category, just as the White House did to get to a figure of 3 million saved or created jobs. Those 3 million jobs saved or created were not just the jobs at the construction site that you saw. That 3 million figure included all the jobs saved or created in all of the materials and equipment used on the construction site in addition to the ones physically at the construction site that you saw working. The cost of materials, as well as the jobs saved or created in making the material, are all accounted for in both the spending and the number of jobs saved or created by the spending.

Now that those projects are complete where are those jobs?

gmule wrote: Now that those projects are complete where are those jobs?

are they complete? I saw a lot of ongoing construction just a few weeks ago, all with the "stimulus" signs. One does have to wonder what unemployment would be at if we hadn't had the stimulus.....I'll bet those who are working on projects funded by the stimulus are pretty happy campers.

archer wrote:

gmule wrote: Now that those projects are complete where are those jobs?

are they complete? I saw a lot of ongoing construction just a few weeks ago, all with the "stimulus" signs. One does have to wonder what unemployment would be at if we hadn't had the stimulus.....I'll bet those who are working on projects funded by the stimulus are pretty happy campers.

I have a good friend who works on a governmennt project...even he laughs at how much longer everything takes to get done and how many workers are standing around compared to when he worked for a private company. Ya, we can really afford more taxpayer funded jobs.

CriticalBill wrote:

archer wrote:

gmule wrote: Now that those projects are complete where are those jobs?

are they complete? I saw a lot of ongoing construction just a few weeks ago, all with the "stimulus" signs. One does have to wonder what unemployment would be at if we hadn't had the stimulus.....I'll bet those who are working on projects funded by the stimulus are pretty happy campers.

I have a good friend who works on a governmennt project...even he laughs at how much longer everything takes to get done and how many workers are standing around compared to when he worked for a private company. Ya, we can really afford more taxpayer funded jobs.

What kind of project is he working on where the workers are hired directly by the government? What I saw all across the country were private companies working on highway projects, bridges and buildings. Are you saying these private companies are ripping off taxpayers by working slower than they normally wood.......figures. Everyone complains about how much the government spends, then when they are getting government money all the righteous outrage suddenly disappears and they get greedy.