US becoming a food stamp nation.

HEARTLESS wrote: LH, what the hell does a metal detector have to do with using a library? Most all public libraries are now in schools. So you're implying I can no longer sign in at the desk of Conifer High School and use the library?

Not during school hours - NO, you cannot! You can use it after hours.

And, NO they are not - not even close. Look at the list of Denver libraries, jeffco libraries, etc - very FEW are in schools. But nice try. Assuming that you can walk into any school and use their library is a fallacy you should stop promoting, but it is very much untrue. School libraries, with the RARE exception of one like Conifer - which is going to be closed to the public, BTW - are closed to the public. They are for student use only.

With the advent of the web, why do we need so many libraries? I can do more research and quicker than any library from home.

Martin Ent Inc wrote: LH said YOu keep talking about people who don't want to work. If you offered them a job that actually gave a decent rate of pay - a LIVEABLE rate of pay - that they could do, they would take that in a heartbeat. The exceptions are folks like Martin and CG have in their family.

Yes but it isn't just a few. Like I said raised in the south, you see it all the time. And for those that like the free money where do you suppose they would get a decent paying job when they have no skills or education to do such?

I did say A JOB THAT THEY CAN DO- if you're going to quote me, then quote me fully - and tell you what, if they can hire Downs Syndrome kids to bag groceries, then even a person with a moderately low IQ can bag groceries, or clean a hotel room, and so forth. I'm real sorry you've lives in some rather crap neighborhoods and knowns some rather crap people, but thaty still does NOT make everyone just like them! You can keep saying it until you die from it, it will still not make it so.

And if you know people who are bilking the system, then get them the hell off the system- it;s a phone call or an email. YOu can handle that, I do believe.

HEARTLESS wrote: With the advent of the web, why do we need so many libraries? I can do more research and quicker than any library from home.

Oh the irony, it burns.

First it's go to the school library to use their computers, go to a public library to use their computers if you're so poor you can't afford a computer or internet at home, now it's why do we even need a library when we can have internet at home?

Do you not see what you just said? Are you following the convo?

Get real, many of the poor downtrodden have iphones, bluetooth and so on. Why do you oppose trying to get them off welfare? Personal interest?

LJ - pass me some of that popcorn, and perhaps this convo can only be followed into the future if we're on some serious acid trip.

Let's see - buy a bus pass or get a dollar menu burger so you eat today - what shall one do?

I will say it is often easy to get a an indistrict library card - I'm Jeffco and have a Jeffco card, but I also have a Denver card - all I had to do was ask. Some libraries do charge a small fee, like the college libraries - I think when I lived in Iowa, I paid like $15 for the year to get a Iowa State library card to access their files and archives. That was 6 years ago when I was doing intensive research for the museum I worked for, but I'm guessing the fee isn't much larger.

However - library fee or food - most people choose the food.

Cite proof or shut up about the IPhones, because it's a lie.

Why not virtual libraries with free access. Give devices away to the people that can't afford them. It would be less expensive and a better educational experience.

Some evil corps are already doing just that. Shame on those evil corporate types.

LH, since you brought up computers, not me, where would you use one if you didn't own one? A library perhaps?

I am not against getting people off welfare - I am pointing out facts you want to ignore. But keep ignoring them, it's fine. Like I said, yet Martin denied was truth, most people will take a reasonable job over welfare any day of the week. I sure as hell would.

If you cannot get to an access point, how do you use it? Free wifi is getting pretty common out here in the west, but not so much anywhere else. And even then, it's free wifi IF you have purchased a product from said place. So not exactly free. No money, no access.

It's a nice idea, and likely to come in the future, MAYBE our lifetimes, but for now, it's still sci fi.

Yes, Heartless - I do use them in the library sometimes - which makes your statement about getting rid of libraries (after saying go to the library) kinda out there. But since you advocate closing libraries, there's not exactly going to be a place with computers to use for those without. Not without a fee - internet cafes still charge a fee.

Heartless, please go back and actually read the whole thread - because I think you got lost here.

Or it really is time for a serious drug induced trip.