Don't know if I can stomach all the 9/11 tributes

12 Sep 2011 16:58 #91 by UNDER MODERATION
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Looks like we've come to a consensus here...This 911 crap is ridiculous

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12 Sep 2011 17:17 #92 by outdoor338
Chickaree, Often on talks shows this goes unchallenged, even by conservatives. Sometimes conservatives even spread this lie themselves, but at the least, it needs to be countered and stopped whenever it is mentioned. There is plenty of evidence out there to counter this myth that McVeigh was a Christian. Wikipedia has plenty of information about this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh here’s some more.

I don’t want this to turn into a theological discussion, but let’s make this simple, you become a Christian by making a statement that you believe in Jesus Christ and accept him as your Savior. You then try to live a life consistent with that statement. It’s pretty simple. McVeigh did neither of those things. He told anybody who would listen that he was agnostic. You cannot be a Christian while saying you are agnostic.

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12 Sep 2011 17:26 #93 by HEARTLESS
The consensus is VL is ghey zombie kak.

The silent majority will be silent no more.

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12 Sep 2011 17:26 #94 by UNDER MODERATION
Replied by UNDER MODERATION on topic Don't know if I can stomach all the 9/11 tributes

outdoor338 wrote: Chickaree, Often on talks shows this goes unchallenged, even by conservatives. Sometimes conservatives even spread this lie themselves, but at the least, it needs to be countered and stopped whenever it is mentioned. There is plenty of evidence out there to counter this myth that McVeigh was a Christian. Wikipedia has plenty of information about this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh here’s some more.

I don’t want this to turn into a theological discussion, but let’s make this simple, you become a Christian by making a statement that you believe in Jesus Christ and accept him as your Savior. You then try to live a life consistent with that statement. It’s pretty simple. McVeigh did neither of those things.



Anybody that believes in War is not a Christian then..Using your logic Christians are not Christians..

Christians, Muslims, Mormons, Budists, Volcano and Devil worshipers...You'ra all a big joke..Fairy tales and mumbo jumbo..

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12 Sep 2011 17:32 #95 by Kate

outdoor338 wrote: Chickaree, Often on talks shows this goes unchallenged, even by conservatives. Sometimes conservatives even spread this lie themselves, but at the least, it needs to be countered and stopped whenever it is mentioned. There is plenty of evidence out there to counter this myth that McVeigh was a Christian. Wikipedia has plenty of information about this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh here’s some more.

I don’t want this to turn into a theological discussion, but let’s make this simple, you become a Christian by making a statement that you believe in Jesus Christ and accept him as your Savior. You then try to live a life consistent with that statement. It’s pretty simple. McVeigh did neither of those things. He told anybody who would listen that he was agnostic. You cannot be a Christian while saying you are agnostic.


From the Wikipedia article you listed:

McVeigh was a registered Republican when he lived in Buffalo, New York in the 1980s, and had a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military.[84]

McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic.[85] During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly.[86] McVeigh was confirmed at the Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York, in 1985.[87] In a 1996 interview, McVeigh professed belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs."[85] In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion.[88][89] In June, 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News identifying as agnostic.[90] Before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick.[91]

Sounds like he was all over the place in the months leading up to his execution, but at the very end, returned to Catholicism.

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12 Sep 2011 17:35 #96 by HEARTLESS
An attempt to save his everlasting soul.

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12 Sep 2011 17:53 #97 by Kate

HEARTLESS wrote: An attempt to save his everlasting soul.


Which would make him a Christian.

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12 Sep 2011 17:57 - 12 Sep 2011 18:01 #98 by outdoor338
so Kate you would agree he was not a Christian, until prior to his execution, after his terrorist acts...Ok, I can go along with that!

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12 Sep 2011 17:58 #99 by outdoor338
VL, watch this clip, this is why we will not forget...we will all move on, but maybe you don't know how to..
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12 Sep 2011 18:07 #100 by Kate

outdoor338 wrote: so Kate you would agree he was not a Christian, until prior to his execution, after his terrorist acts...Ok, I can go along with that!


I don't know what goes on in another persons mind, and I would bet that neither do you.

We know he was raised Catholic, went into the military, committed the bombing, then said he was agnostic and then recanted on his deathbed. He's all over the place. The point here is that we do not know if he was agnostic or christian when he committed the terrorist act, yet we do know that he was a Christian when he was young and he was a Christian right before he died. It's a little weird saying he was not a Christian, though.

If you have other evidence, please do post it.

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