Smarter because of a College Degree??

Liberals use the marketing scheme the "value of a college degree" as job security. Without Federal Student Loans, liberal professors would go bankrupt and get paid what they are really worth....about 1/3 of what they are being paid today.

They've told the lie so many times, people actually believe it.

The video cracks me up. Wild Bill is saying "we don't need a college education" --- yet he touts his pseudo credentials!
(he obviously thinks the appearance of an education is important).

I don't think any of you would want a surgeon who didn't go to college. Most of you would not invest with a stock broker who lacks a college degree. I certainly wouldn't drive over a bridge designed by someone who lacks a degree. How would you feel about a high school teacher who never went to college?

Granted - there are things you can do (real estate agent - or mortgage underwriter) without a degree.

Is there junk in the curriculum --- sure, there is (Bible College have plenty of their own junk). If you think the industry is proud of wackos (Ward Churchill) - think again.

The bottom line: the Census Bureau data makes it really clear - that people with degrees:
- make more
- are less likely to be unemployed
- are better able to keep up with rising costs
- save more
- live better.

RT - student loans underwrite maybe 20% of the cost of college - so without the federal loan system, a professor would likely not go bankrupt - but would be fairly uncomfortable.

Back to Wild Bill

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take a look at the badge he's wearing in his videos:
a) It would be a federal crime to advocate a political view while wearing an official badge
b) The badge he's wearing does not match the badge of a US Deputy Marshall.

The guy is a bigger fraud than any college professor that I know.

1'st I did not listen to the vid.

I post because the header strikes a strong cord. I do not see this as a right left thing. I believe that because of my Navy experiences supplemented by other life experience, that there are many who are educated beyond their intelligence. They walk among us.

The military used to be a wonderful place to learn a trade.

chickaree wrote: The military used to be a wonderful place to learn a trade.

Not always. Jimmy Carter was a Navy Nuc.

neptunechimney wrote:

chickaree wrote: The military used to be a wonderful place to learn a trade.

Not always. Jimmy Carter was a Navy Nuc.

Today colleges are a great place to learn how to be traitor....

I didn't listen to the video either.

I've found that people who do not have a college degree will diss a person with a college degree, because of their insecurity in not having one.

Yes, I have a degree and I don't go around saying, "I have a college degree. Therefore, you are not as smart as I am." Yet, these individuals will talk about how a degree isn't important to one another, but while I am within hearing distance, to turn that knife they've stabbed into my back.

I don't give a rat's if you have a degree or not, if you can do the job. I'm not the one requiring the degree in order for you to get a job.

If the type of job you want requires a degree, then shut up and get the degree or do something else. Sheesh! You do a have choice in the matter.

I think smart is something you are born with or not. Kind of like a herding dog. Sure it may be an Aussie or Border Collie or whatever, but only some of them are born to herd. Then you take those select individuals and train them to follow your commands so that when they herd the way they naturally do, they get the stock to go where you want.

College is just one type of advanced training that comes with it potentially many customary societal norms that in turn become a type of training and socialization (dorms, keg parties, study groups, meeting people from other places and not fearing them as much).

College is good for some students and not so great for others. A little formal training and a little real life-back breaking experience along with an outright wilderness expedition, perhaps a few months living in someone else's shoes.... would serve most people kindly, just mix proportions as appropriate. Just ask someone who has been through four years at some college (and did well) and has also rowed the grand for three weeks, which experience they call on more in life.

But just like health care there is little to debate because it is a product, just one with really good marketing relative to it's actual use. The fundamentals of products and supply and demand and marketing prevail. It seems on this one that the winners are always the colleges (employees) and the businesses in the college communities as the state and world wealth is funneled there (see Fort Collins, etc. etc.).

In case you are wondering, valedictorian, BS, MS. Self Employed Entrepreneur. Oh, and most degrees are not worth $50,000 a year, so there is your product price discussion again. My total education beyond HS was about $22k, still earned 2-3 times that while in school. I think it was worth it, I surely have made more money and have had a much grander experience for it. I would have drawn the line at around $50k total, beyond that, I could have taken those years and that nest egg and still made an empire.

Funny thing is that everyone wants their kid to be exceptional. Funny part of that is that if your kid is exceptional, you don't really think about making them so, you are busy trying to keep them on track at all and being humble when EVERYONE else tells you how exceptional your kid is. If your kid is not exceptional, you start worrying about SATs and learning centers and degrees and how they will fair in this new economy. The mom of the exceptional kid just wonders if her kid will share their powers with others and knows all will be fine, even for the plain kid.

bailey bud wrote: Who wants to get treatment from a self-taught dentist????

How about this ---- why not buy your will and/or estate plans at the corner copy store?

Maybe we could save some money - and let people who are really good with lego blocks build bridges?

How about a military medic, instead of someone who's been to medical school?

I also have a hard time listening to anyone who'd leave the Rockies for Haiti, and holds a "degree" from an unaccredited college.

Wild Bill has a wild CV:
- he claims to have graduated from the "Colorado Law Enforcement Academy" (exact name) I'm unable to find a school with that exact name.
- he claims to have graduated from the "Federal Law Enforcement Academy" (I cannot find a school by that name)
http://www.fleta.gov/accreditation/accr ... emies.html

- He claims to have graduated the US Marshal Training Academy - but that's not the name of the academy US Marshals attend
(they attend a generic FLETC - Federal Law Enforcement Training Center - course).

I think this guy is a crock of (fecal matter).

There are legitimate criticisms of the academic enterprise --- this hillbilly isn't one of them.

I think there are many professions that you didn't list where apprenticeships are more apt than a college degree. At the end of an apprenticeship, you have a trade instead of a large debt.

Bottom line, an education is a requirement where ever it is obtained. Ignorance is not admirable.