Smarter because of a College Degree??

28 Sep 2011 11:04 - 28 Sep 2011 15:37 #61 by Soulshiner
A lot of HS grads are pressured by their parents to go to college straight after HS and they go without declaring a major. I think it is a good idea to wait a couple of years after HS graduation to attend college and to not let anyone enter college without declaring a major.

When you plant ice you're going to harvest wind. - Robert Hunter

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28 Sep 2011 11:07 #62 by MsMAM

Soulshiner wrote: A lot of HS grads are pressured by their parents to go to college straight after HS and they go without declaring a major. I think it is a good idea to wait a couple of years after HS to attend graduation and to not let anyone enter college without declaring a major.


You already don't have to declare a major until your third year.

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28 Sep 2011 11:52 #63 by bailey bud
Need to double-check my "facts" - but here's the points as I recall:

I) The Bureau of Labor Statistics forecasts that by 2020, 70 percent of Colorado jobs will require a degree.

Why?
a) Credential inflation --- there's so many people with a degree, a degree becomes the minimum criteria
b) Concentration of the high-tech sector --- Colorado - especially the front range - has a huge high-tech sector (Look at Broomfield).
Most of the jobs being added are in that sector.
c) Growing complexity. One of the main contributing factors for the sub-prime debacle was the lack of education among loan officers. (Colorado is one of very few states that even allows non-degreed loan officers). You're going to see heightened oversight/regulations/requirements in most industries. (even a restaurant will need a food science person to navigate food safety regulations).

II) I don't think Colorado has even reached 40% of the workforce being credentialed - which creates a "skill gap" of 30 percent.

Granted - the analysts are using degrees as a proxy for skill (they're not the same). However, I don't see much prospect for an alternative. Colorado needs more college graduates. They don't really all need to be CU-Boulder graduates (we need more grads from Colorado School of Mines, too). The political correctness the OP rants about is less common than the OP would guess (students at my own institution are much more conservative as a group than the students in my own alma Mater - which was known for its conservatism).

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28 Sep 2011 12:35 #64 by pineinthegrass
But universities brainwash our youth and radicalize them. Especially places like BYU, Oral Roberts, Liberty, Utah, Utah State, etc.

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28 Sep 2011 12:41 #65 by MsMAM

pineinthegrass wrote: But universities brainwash our youth and radicalize them. Especially places like BYU, Oral Roberts, Liberty, Utah, Utah State, etc.


:like: :yeahthat:

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28 Sep 2011 13:24 #66 by ComputerBreath
A college degree does not measure smartness or intelligence. It only measures being able to go to college classes and pass them.

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28 Sep 2011 15:48 #67 by LadyJazzer

ComputerBreath wrote: A college degree does not measure smartness or intelligence. It only measures being able to go to college classes and pass them.


Yeah, that's why people who have them make so much more over their lifetime...and are more likely to keep their jobs in a recession.

Leave it to the cons to campaign for stupidity.

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28 Sep 2011 16:01 #68 by MsMAM

LadyJazzer wrote:

ComputerBreath wrote: A college degree does not measure smartness or intelligence. It only measures being able to go to college classes and pass them.


Yeah, that's why people who have them make so much more over their lifetime...and are more likely to keep their jobs in a recession.

Leave it to the cons to campaign for stupidity.


And that has been proven even here. I guess someone has to admit they are wrong. :lol:

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28 Sep 2011 18:47 #69 by Wayne Harrison

AspenValley wrote: It's gotten pretty ridiculous when retail worker and low level clerical jobs specify college graduates.


If you were an employer, which would you want to hire?

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28 Sep 2011 19:54 #70 by Rockdoc
If you want to use a college degree as a filter for reliability, then that is the lazy man's way for hiring. I'd think that competence in basic math, English grammar, speaking ability, and personal skills necessary for retail work can be found in many HS graduates. A smart employer would do an interview instead. I find that kind of consideration stereotyping and akin to ruling out people of different ethnic background. There are jewels sparkling everywhere among the non college graduates. It just takes a little more effort to find them.

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