Tea Party American Patriots vs Occupy Everything whiners

Science Chic wrote: It's not the small business owners that they are protesting against, but the large corporate interests that have gotten special government treatment, bailouts, and legislation passed that continues to favor them at the expense of the general public and the economy simultaneously. Irenic Bill, they are protesting the government - its corrupted practices of favoring special interests, etc. All it takes is a short perusal of their Facebook page, blog, Twitter account, etc to figure that out.

Look, they even marched on Washington, so how is that they aren't focused on the government too? Their claim that the government is owned by Wall St is valid, so by Occupying Wall St, they de facto also Occupy Washington - they know where the real power is and where it needs to be hit. And didn't Outdoor just post something about them heckling Obama? Instead of relying on simplified, regurgitated media talking points about the movement (like it's "only about not being able to find jobs so if you offer them jobs, they should be happy and go away"), read it for yourself what it's actually about from them directly: Website , Occupied Wall Street Journal , Facebook , Twitter . Is it cohesive? No, but it doesn't need to be tightly focused when the problems are big and tied into each other; this is a Movement, not a protest about one specific problem.

http://occupywallst.org/
March from Occupy Wall Street Arrives in Washington DC Today
Posted on Nov. 22, 2011 by OccupyWallSt

Today an Occupy Wall Street initiative called ‘Occupy the Highway’ arrives in Washington DC, having marched from New York City. Two weeks ago, Occupy Wall Street participants in Manhattan embarked on the epic journey. Their goals were to make the new movement visible in more communities, to connect with other occupations along the way, and to further a national dialogue about how to reclaim our democracy.

“No one has the courage to stand up inside our corrupt political system and fight for regular Americans. So, we will continue to take a stand outside the system." “Wall Street owns Washington. Our government is not representing the interests of the people,” said Ed Needham, a volunteer with Occupy Wall Street. "Congress is defending the big banks, big corporations and super-rich. This is why the Occupy Movement grows each day."

http://occupywallst.org/article/solidar ... e-workers/
Boycott "Black Friday", Solidarity with Striking Chinese Workers!
Posted on Nov. 25, 2011 by OccupyWallSt

This Black Friday, as millions of Americans scramble to find the "best deals" on consumer goods, thousands of Chinese manufacturing workers are striking to demand livable wages, job security, and other basic rights. It seems fair to say these workers are striking for a "new balance" with their management, and the system of global exploitation that management serves. Facing police repression and media censorship, striking Chinese workers are standing up against the same unfair economic system we are fighting on Wall Street and across the world. Today, Occupiers everywhere are standing up to Boycott Black Friday in an effort to raise awareness about the exploitation and inequalities that produce the goods Americans purchase.

Last night, members of Occupy Chicago joined camp-outs in front of department stores like Sears and Best Buy, hoping to start dialog with shoppers while also highlighting the hypocrisy that the government is allowing people to camp in public if they have money to spend on a brand new flat screen TV, but violently attacking homeless people and protesters who camp in public to protest economic inequality.

http://occupiedwallstjournal.com/2011/11/why-we-fight/
Why We Fight
by Matt Taibbi on Nov 18, 2011

There are a thousand reasons to occupy Wall Street — unending war, a failing health care system, the need for jobs and a living wage, gross wealth inequality. But if you need just one reason to join this movement, it is this:

You were robbed, and your government helped finish the job.

http://www.thenation.com/article/163844 ... -world-now
Occupy Wall Street: The Most Important Thing in the World Now
Naomi Klein
October 6, 2011

Many people have drawn parallels between Occupy Wall Street and the so-called anti-globalization protests that came to world attention in Seattle in 1999. But there are important differences too. For instance, we chose summits as our targets: the World Trade Organization, the International Monetary Fund, the G8. Summits are transient by their nature, they only last a week. That made us transient too.

Occupy Wall Street, on the other hand, has chosen a fixed target. And you have put no end date on your presence here. This is wise. Only when you stay put can you grow roots.

I am talking about changing the underlying values that govern our society. That is hard to fit into a single media-friendly demand, and it’s also hard to figure out how to do it. But it is no less urgent for being difficult.

That is what I see happening in this square.

From: http://www.breakingcopy.com/occupied-wa ... ssue-2-pdf

The exhausted political machines and their PR slicks are already seeking leaders to elevate, messages to claim, talking points to move on. They, more than anyone, will attempt to seize and shape this moment.

For Wall Street and Washington, the demand is not on them to give us something that isn't theirs to give. It's ours. It's on us.

And you know why the opposition wants something specific? So it needs something tangible that it can tear down. But they can't argue against the vast inequality occurring worldwide, or the anger at unfair practices that favor those with power and money.

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Irenic_Bill wrote: The OWS'rs protest the bank bailouts by the government, then demand the governmennt bail out their student loans. They complain about the lack of jobs, but then protest and try to bring down the job ceators. These people are clueless as to how an economy works ( a free one anyway).

Not only that but did you see that segment on 60 minutes or one of those shows where they set up a booth with over 120 companies offering jobs from lower wages up to many jobs making a lot of money. They got treated like crap and told them getting a job won't help. All day they only got something like 3 applications. They are a joke!

Didn't see that. Link please.

Science Chic wrote:

Irenic_Bill wrote: They should be called Occupy Washington...that is the problem, ...if they finally realized that, it was a major error that just makes them all look stupid.

But don't you see? They were brilliant in occupying Wall St; if they'd Occupied Washington, they'd've gotten nowhere - it's not the politicians calling the shots, it's the corporations, and if they'd focused on the politicians yet again, nothing would've changed, the puppet masters remain hidden. OWS is focused on the source of the problem; the corruption in Washington is just an effect that will be cleared up once the politicians realize that the true power lies with the People, not with their corporate interests.

The corruption at the corporate level is worldwide and that's why the Occupy movement has transcended American borders. It will not go away because unlike our American government, which interests mostly only us, this movement against economic inequality has universal support - did you see all of the international Occupy cities on the Occupy Wall St Facebook page? Greed begets corruption, and corruption creates inequality that eventually the masses will get fed up with. Over and over throughout history. Do not dismiss this movement as transient, or populated by a small subset of people that can be labeled and therefore marginalized and ignored; this is much bigger than that, as evidenced by the news stories that misrepresent it negatively over and over again - the targets are getting nervous.

Science Chic wrote:

Irenic_Bill wrote: They should be called Occupy Washington...that is the problem, ...if they finally realized that, it was a major error that just makes them all look stupid.

But don't you see? They were brilliant in occupying Wall St; if they'd Occupied Washington, they'd've gotten nowhere - it's not the politicians calling the shots, it's the corporations, and if they'd focused on the politicians yet again, nothing would've changed, the puppet masters remain hidden. OWS is focused on the source of the problem; the corruption in Washington is just an effect that will be cleared up once the politicians realize that the true power lies with the People, not with their corporate interests.

The corruption at the corporate level is worldwide and that's why the Occupy movement has transcended American borders. It will not go away because unlike our American government, which interests mostly only us, this movement against economic inequality has universal support - did you see all of the international Occupy cities on the Occupy Wall St Facebook page? Greed begets corruption, and corruption creates inequality that eventually the masses will get fed up with. Over and over throughout history. Do not dismiss this movement as transient, or populated by a small subset of people that can be labeled and therefore marginalized and ignored; this is much bigger than that, as evidenced by the news stories that misrepresent it negatively over and over again - the targets are getting nervous.

chickaree wrote:

Science Chic wrote:

Irenic_Bill wrote: They should be called Occupy Washington...that is the problem, ...if they finally realized that, it was a major error that just makes them all look stupid.

But don't you see? They were brilliant in occupying Wall St; if they'd Occupied Washington, they'd've gotten nowhere - it's not the politicians calling the shots, it's the corporations, and if they'd focused on the politicians yet again, nothing would've changed, the puppet masters remain hidden. OWS is focused on the source of the problem; the corruption in Washington is just an effect that will be cleared up once the politicians realize that the true power lies with the People, not with their corporate interests.

The corruption at the corporate level is worldwide and that's why the Occupy movement has transcended American borders. It will not go away because unlike our American government, which interests mostly only us, this movement against economic inequality has universal support - did you see all of the international Occupy cities on the Occupy Wall St Facebook page? Greed begets corruption, and corruption creates inequality that eventually the masses will get fed up with. Over and over throughout history. Do not dismiss this movement as transient, or populated by a small subset of people that can be labeled and therefore marginalized and ignored; this is much bigger than that, as evidenced by the news stories that misrepresent it negatively over and over again - the targets are getting nervous.

I'm discouraged at the number of conservatives who have allowed the media to make up their minds about this movement.

LLIB wrote:

chickaree wrote:

Science Chic wrote:

Irenic_Bill wrote: They should be called Occupy Washington...that is the problem, ...if they finally realized that, it was a major error that just makes them all look stupid.

But don't you see? They were brilliant in occupying Wall St; if they'd Occupied Washington, they'd've gotten nowhere - it's not the politicians calling the shots, it's the corporations, and if they'd focused on the politicians yet again, nothing would've changed, the puppet masters remain hidden. OWS is focused on the source of the problem; the corruption in Washington is just an effect that will be cleared up once the politicians realize that the true power lies with the People, not with their corporate interests.

The corruption at the corporate level is worldwide and that's why the Occupy movement has transcended American borders. It will not go away because unlike our American government, which interests mostly only us, this movement against economic inequality has universal support - did you see all of the international Occupy cities on the Occupy Wall St Facebook page? Greed begets corruption, and corruption creates inequality that eventually the masses will get fed up with. Over and over throughout history. Do not dismiss this movement as transient, or populated by a small subset of people that can be labeled and therefore marginalized and ignored; this is much bigger than that, as evidenced by the news stories that misrepresent it negatively over and over again - the targets are getting nervous.

I'm discouraged at the number of conservatives who have allowed the media to make up their minds about this movement.

You are all knowing like LJ? Who are you to make a statement like that? I make up my mind from the facts I see and the effects of bad policies. I'm perfectly capable of using MY OWN reasoning and don't need the pos media to form my opinions for me thank you.

Science Chic wrote:

Irenic_Bill wrote: They should be called Occupy Washington...that is the problem, ...if they finally realized that, it was a major error that just makes them all look stupid.

But don't you see? They were brilliant in occupying Wall St; if they'd Occupied Washington, they'd've gotten nowhere - it's not the politicians calling the shots, it's the corporations, and if they'd focused on the politicians yet again, nothing would've changed, the puppet masters remain hidden. OWS is focused on the source of the problem; the corruption in Washington is just an effect that will be cleared up once the politicians realize that the true power lies with the People, not with their corporate interests.

The corruption at the corporate level is worldwide and that's why the Occupy movement has transcended American borders. It will not go away because unlike our American government, which interests mostly only us, this movement against economic inequality has universal support - did you see all of the international Occupy cities on the Occupy Wall St Facebook page? Greed begets corruption, and corruption creates inequality that eventually the masses will get fed up with. Over and over throughout history. Do not dismiss this movement as transient, or populated by a small subset of people that can be labeled and therefore marginalized and ignored; this is much bigger than that, as evidenced by the news stories that misrepresent it negatively over and over again - the targets are getting nervous.