Tea Party American Patriots vs Occupy Everything whiners

First of all,

This sounds like old communism and socialism, the opiate of adolescence, sloth, laziness, ignorance, and envy.

This sounds like the old conservatism, the opiate of the elderly, greed, hate, narrow-mindedness and good, old fashioned 'I got mine' attitude. As I march towards my 'golden years' I find myself with a massive desire to NOT be as as ugly and come across as the bitter as some of the cons on this forum.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/25/shocking-truth-about-crackdown-occupy

This article from the Gaurdian in the UK outlines some interesting points... the author notes how you can camp on the sidewalk for tickets to the Jay Leno show but not for Occupy Wall St. I have seen myself people camping out for black Friday at Best Buy for three days to get sale items.... And no hassles.

And for those against OWS, you I assume, are for:

The No 1 agenda item: get the money out of politics. Most often cited was legislation to blunt the effect of the Citizens United ruling, which lets boundless sums enter the campaign process.

No 2: reform the banking system to prevent fraud and manipulation, with the most frequent item being to restore the Glass-Steagall Act – the Depression-era law, done away with by President Clinton, that separates investment banks from commercial banks. This law would correct the conditions for the recent crisis, as investment banks could not take risks for profit that create kale derivatives out of thin air, and wipe out the commercial and savings banks.

No 3 was the most clarifying: draft laws against the little-known loophole that currently allows members of Congress to pass legislation affecting Delaware-based corporations in which they themselves are investors.

Personally, I can not comprehend any citizen who desires a healthier economy not supporting any one of these.....

LadyJazzer wrote:

Soulshiner wrote:

The Viking wrote:

Irenic_Bill wrote: The OWS'rs protest the bank bailouts by the government, then demand the governmennt bail out their student loans. They complain about the lack of jobs, but then protest and try to bring down the job ceators. These people are clueless as to how an economy works ( a free one anyway).

Not only that but did you see that segment on 60 minutes or one of those shows where they set up a booth with over 120 companies offering jobs from lower wages up to many jobs making a lot of money. They got treated like crap and told them getting a job won't help. All day they only got something like 3 applications. They are a joke!

Didn't see that. Link please.

[crickets chirping]

I have a very full life and am not always on here like you. Here is a video of part of it.

Guess the youtube quotes aren't working. Tried it a few times


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That video was great Viking...pretty funny but also sad that these people are so clueless.

Then ya got some explaining to do about your liberal unions? Greed at it's best!

Are all Unions liberal to you Outdoor? Even Police and Fire Dept unions?

Thanks for the link.

So, the "headhunters" were a setup. Since that tactic has been used a few times by dishonest people to "expose" the other side, I can see that these people saw this as a setup and a farce. They have become wise to this tactic. I don't see anything but dishonesty in this video.

Soulshiner wrote: Thanks for the link.

So, the "headhunters" were a setup. Since that tactic has been used a few times by dishonest people to "expose" the other side, I can see that these people saw this as a setup and a farce. They have become wise to this tactic. I don't see anything but dishonesty in this video.

You were there? So those jobs weren't real? Can you provide a link for that? Or are you just throwing that out there that they were dishonest with no facts??

Memo to the Occupy protesters: here are ten things we evil capitalists really think

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danie ... lly-think/

Science Chic wrote:

Irenic_Bill wrote: They should be called Occupy Washington...that is the problem, ...if they finally realized that, it was a major error that just makes them all look stupid.

But don't you see? They were brilliant in occupying Wall St; if they'd Occupied Washington, they'd've gotten nowhere - it's not the politicians calling the shots, it's the corporations, and if they'd focused on the politicians yet again, nothing would've changed, the puppet masters remain hidden. OWS is focused on the source of the problem; the corruption in Washington is just an effect that will be cleared up once the politicians realize that the true power lies with the People, not with their corporate interests.

So I am clear, even though we vote and shop and invest, we do such a bad job of it that we cannot even be expected to vote, shop or invest better. Because we are so powerless, we just keep voting in people that accept corporate money or influence as well as buy things from china and then invest in the companies that buy from china and bribe our congressmen. Since we know we are so weak that we cannot be expected to change and also now assert that the politicians are too weak to stand up to anything or keep a promise. We now look to companies to take the moral high ground...by stop selling us the stuff we ask them for and stop bribing the politicians that we are going to continue to allow if they do...we really expect them to be the source of change.

If that is not treating corporations as people....I don't know what is. Not only do we expect them to be people, we expect them to to be better people than we are?

You can claim that this is a protest of companies or even govt all you want. Until we face the fact that this is the people we put in power and we likely will again next year, nothing will change, because we kept it the same.

Your attitude not only weakens our govt, but also negates my vote. Thanks. In addition, it is far from scientific, if you think that corporations are going to take the high ground when both we collectively and the people we elect can't do it.

So when we fail to influence these corps very much in order to fix our govt that the people and their elected officials couldn't or wouldn't change....who will we protest next...our pets...for eating out of the bowl we fed them in?

The more sustainable you are, meaning the less you depend on every little new and far away company for everything you need, the less the concept of protesting anyone else to make your life better makes any sense.

Just the tone of "my life would be better if you would...." is the opposite if empowering. Anyone shopping and investing and voting different than last time. Democrats gonna vote for Obama and expect things to change from now...or are you going to vote for a Republican and expect it to be different than recent republicans...or are you going to look for a new candidate, make them commit with consequences and shop different....oh wait I can't, my vote will be wasted and that flat screen is just so cheap. Obama and midnight madness sales for 2012 it is.

That being said, I love that it is happening. Effect or not, protest and speaking your mind is awesome, even when you are wrong, especially when you are passionate. Nothing personal and I do agree that it is more effective to protest wall street vs. washington...I would take it a step further and make it clear if I was there...or I would be there....if they were protesting the people that created this probem...you and me.. go ahead, say it wan't you.

The Viking wrote:

Soulshiner wrote: Thanks for the link.

So, the "headhunters" were a setup. Since that tactic has been used a few times by dishonest people to "expose" the other side, I can see that these people saw this as a setup and a farce. They have become wise to this tactic. I don't see anything but dishonesty in this video.

You were there? So those jobs weren't real? Can you provide a link for that? Or are you just throwing that out there that they were dishonest with no facts??

On the youtube page you posted:

"Accuracy in Media saw fit to test their desires with...employment applications. Our "headhunters" were treated to every excuse as to why these jobs aren't good enough for them."

The description was posted by the posters of the video, Accuracy in Media. They are the ones who put "headhunters" in quotes. They admit in the description of their own video that this was a set up and they are not an actual employment service, but a setup to "test" the protesters. They weren't offering any jobs, just applications and a bogus front that they were actually looking for employees. They even lied about being an employment service. The men in the video are asked if they are offering job assistance and the men say sure. I'd call that the definition of dishonesty.