Marine Urination Video

The real stupidity was filming it. Abu Grahib Part II, this stuff happens, but without evidence it is just hearsay.

GOP Twin wrote:

Er... maybe because mentioning that doesn't change squat. Tell me... how does mentioning "that several of our troops'/civilians' bodies have been mutilated and/or dragged through the streets" makes what just happened any less wrong (or right). That's a Tu Quoque fallacy... something a freshman in high school tries to do in Debate 101. Leave the Tu Quoque statements to our liberals.

Did I say it made anything less wrong? Maybe I should put this more simply. Understanding the behavior does not excuse the behavior.

Take your Debate 101 somewhere else. I never took a debate class so I don't need your Tu Quoque fallacy reference. Now you're saying only people who took debate classes should talk here.

2wlady wrote: GOP Twin wrote:

Er... maybe because mentioning that doesn't change squat. Tell me... how does mentioning "that several of our troops'/civilians' bodies have been mutilated and/or dragged through the streets" makes what just happened any less wrong (or right). That's a Tu Quoque fallacy... something a freshman in high school tries to do in Debate 101. Leave the Tu Quoque statements to our liberals.

Did I say it made anything less wrong? Maybe I should put this more simply. Understanding the behavior does not excuse the behavior.

Take your Debate 101 somewhere else. I never took a debate class so I don't need your Tu Quoque fallacy reference. Now you're saying only people who took debate classes should talk here.

That's not what I am saying at all. I was saying that your "debating" skills are like that of a high school freshman. Reading is comprehension. You were trying to minimize one wrong by buffering it with another wrong. That's a fallacious argument.

Although I can empathize with the Marines they were wrong, they made a mistake, they will face charges. Hopefully it won't turn into a circus.

Grady wrote: Although I can empathize with the Marines they were wrong, they made a mistake, they will face charges. Hopefully it won't turn into a circus.

I hope it becomes Obama's Abu Ghraib. I hope it turns into a three ring circus. I want to be ringmaster. This belongs to Obama... there's not even a way for the socialists like Lady Jazzer to cry "it's Bush's fault". Obama... eat this!

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Grady wrote: Although I can empathize with the Marines they were wrong, they made a mistake, they will face charges. Hopefully it won't turn into a circus.

I hope it becomes Obama's Abu Ghraib. I hope it turns into a three ring circus. I want to be ringmaster. This belongs to Obama... there's not even a way for the socialists like Lady Jazzer to cry "it's Bush's fault". Obama... eat this!

Dream on.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/28 ... -bing-west

And the useful idiots will follow.

Why would I blame EITHER Bush -or- Obama for the actions of some deranged U.S. service personnel? I would blame if they tried to cover it up...like Bush did. But I don't believe ANYBODY is denying that this happened, or is trying to classify the video of it as "classified." No, that's a Bush tactic.

One thing is certain...For the next several years the usual military apologists will twist themselves in knots trying to justify or forgive the behavior with the usual variety of lame excuses: They were "under pressure"; they "were suffering PTSD after a fire-fight"; they didn't realize they were being filmed....(not likely); the Taliban did it too, so therefore they were justified....ad nauseum.

No, actually, they're just idiots who don't know how to respond as adults, and somehow being in a military unit gives them license to be knuckle-draggers...

But I wouldn't blame either president for the incident... I WOULD blame one if they tried to cover it up.

Neither the Geneva Conventions nor any other international conventions or documents to include the Law of Armed Conflict address desecration of an enemy's body...I would bet that this type of "rule" is a Rule of Engagement established by the Theater Commander. If they haven't been established, I'd bet they will be if this proves to be true.

IMO...way out of bounds...especially if you have any understanding of Arab/Muslim culture and traditions. I believe the Marines that did this, if they did in fact do it, were giving the ultimate (in their eyes) insult...the problem is they only desecrated the bodies...the insult was to the rest of the Muslims...and torquing them off probably isn't the best idea in the world.

I too am going to wait for what the investigation proves...then maybe I'll pass judgement.

ComputerBreath wrote: Neither the Geneva Conventions nor any other international conventions or documents to include the Law of Armed Conflict address desecration of an enemy's body...I would bet that this type of "rule" is a Rule of Engagement established by the Theater Commander. If they haven't been established, I'd bet they will be if this proves to be true.

IMO...way out of bounds...especially if you have any understanding of Arab/Muslim culture and traditions. I believe the Marines that did this, if they did in fact do it, were giving the ultimate (in their eyes) insult...the problem is they only desecrated the bodies...the insult was to the rest of the Muslims...and torquing them off probably isn't the best idea in the world.

I too am going to wait for what the investigation proves...then maybe I'll pass judgement.

U.S. military law and the Geneva Convention prohibit the desecration of bodies of people killed in war.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/che ... _blog.html

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

ComputerBreath wrote: Neither the Geneva Conventions nor any other international conventions or documents to include the Law of Armed Conflict address desecration of an enemy's body...I would bet that this type of "rule" is a Rule of Engagement established by the Theater Commander. If they haven't been established, I'd bet they will be if this proves to be true.

IMO...way out of bounds...especially if you have any understanding of Arab/Muslim culture and traditions. I believe the Marines that did this, if they did in fact do it, were giving the ultimate (in their eyes) insult...the problem is they only desecrated the bodies...the insult was to the rest of the Muslims...and torquing them off probably isn't the best idea in the world.

I too am going to wait for what the investigation proves...then maybe I'll pass judgement.

U.S. military law and the Geneva Convention prohibit the desecration of bodies of people killed in war.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/che ... _blog.html

Um...no, I looked at the Geneva Conventions...they mainly deal with the treatment of Prisoners of War and their belongings...there is information about proper handling of a Prisoner of War that dies while in captivity, but there is nothing that I could find that talks about enemy bodies that were not previously POW's.

I did not look at U.S. Military Law (I'm assuming you mean the UCMJ) until just now and found that there are a few articles that could include desecration of a body (Failure to Obey an Order could be one, if the ROE addresses these types of behavior) but nothing specific addresses abuse of a body.

If you know of some other law or convention that specifically talks about abuse of an enemy's body, please provide a link.

Just so you know, I spent 20 years in the Air Force and retired almost 7 years ago.