Last Night's Debate & Newt

Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up. rofllol

FredHayek wrote:

plaidvillain wrote: Bill, can you give me an example of liberals doing complete 180's on liberal policies.

I was not painting all Reps with broad brushes...the Republican VP said deficits don't matter - not MY generalization.
.and nobody's really taking a socially conservative stance here and calling out Newt.

Many are insistimg any Republican would be better than Obama, but it WAS Reps who created this mess, so I see no logic in believing Reps would do better.

Actually Newt was the Republican speaker of the house when America got closest to a balanced budget, so it looks like some Republicans are willing to take on debt, and this one is currently running for president.

Still crickets... and more crickets.

Hey all, let me apologize for going out for a great dinner on a Friday night...didn't mean to leave some of you hunched over your keyboards with nobody to insult...

So Bill, thanks for a good example. Your example illustrates a desire by those Dems to work together and compromise on an issue, even when those Dems respresent constituencies with varying opinions on a subject. I see almost none of this from current Reps. You talk about how folks should not walk "lock step" for the party...how do you feel about the current Reps in congress, with their first loyalty being to Grover Norquist?...kinda the definition of "lock-step". Yes, there are some anti-abortion Dems, some pro-choice Dems, and some on the middle (essentially irrelevant as the law of the land had been decided some time ago and Congress cannot change that)...varying degrees of nuance - which the Reps almost completely lack (there are some, but most conservatives here refer to them as RINO's). Regardless, I don't see your example as being nearly the same as completely ignoring long standing key party platform planks because it is suddenly convenient to do so.

Do we really need to revisit how the former Rep administration put us so deeply into a hole?...massive unaccounted spending on two huge scale wars, outrageous unaccounted giveaway to pharma with Medicare Part D, Patriot Act, nonstop bumbling of foreign diplomacy (do you remember the look on the German Chancellor's face when Bush gave her a shoulder rub?...haha...classic), nonstop bumbling of domestic policy (Katrina, 9-11)...seriously nobody, left right or middle, could make it through a Bush press conference without spitting their drinks through their noses in laughter)...no, this economic mess belongs to the Reps. Bush spent us into this hole...actually, let me be fair before you all jump on the "oh, it's Bush's fault; blame Bush for everything"...Bush only did what he had to when the puppet masters pulled the strings....and that's the scariest part of the Reps - they are completely controlled by others - others who weren't elected by anyone. Worried about big corps controlling your government? The current Reps in Washington embrace it.

So again, sorry some of you wasted your Friday evening with unrequited hate and nobody to shoot your zingers and burns towards, but seriously, get a life.

Oh, and Dr. Shill, I didn't question whether you are a writer, merely pointed out what an awful writer you are.

plaidvillain wrote:
Oh, and Dr. Shill, I didn't question whether you are a writer, merely pointed out what an awful writer you are.

Well... tell that to my publisher, the literary critics and my bank account. They need a laugh.

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

plaidvillain wrote:
Oh, and Dr. Shill, I didn't question whether you are a writer, merely pointed out what an awful writer you are.

Well... tell that to my publisher, the literary critics and my bank account. They need a laugh.

I'm sure they're laughing plenty enough about you already...

plaidvillain wrote: I'm sure they're laughing plenty enough about you already...

By the way chicken-ass... you never answered my answer to your challenge...

At least six anti-abortion rights Democrats are open to supporting the healthcare bill if they can get a guarantee from the Senate that it will move separate legislation containing the House abortion language, one of those Democratic holdouts said Friday.

In the corner?

Oh... and look below... you seemed to forget to respond to CriticalBill's response. PlaidVillain... you're batting zero right now.

CritiKalbILL wrote: And as for the bad economy, I think you need to explain what caused it to crash and how that is the Republicans fault...maybe I missed something.

LadyJazzer wrote: Still trying to equate a b.j. to swapping three wives? (While railing against him in the House while he was doing it?)

rofllol rofllol

A blow job, huh?


AN OPEN LETTER TO HILLARY CLINTON, BY JUANITA BROADDRICK

'DO YOU REMEMBER?'
SUNDAY OCT 15, 2000

As I watched Rick Lazio's interview on Fox News this morning, I felt compelled to
write this open letter to you, Mrs. Clinton. Brit Hume asked Mr. Lazio's views
regarding you as a person and how he perceived you as a candidate. Rick Lazio did
not answer the question, but I know that I can. You know it, too.

I have no doubt that you are the same conniving, self-serving person you were
twenty-two years ago when I had the misfortune to meet you. When I see you on
television, campaigning for the New York senate race, I can see the same hypocrisy
in your face that you displayed to me one evening in 1978. You have not changed.

I remember it as though it was yesterday. I only wish that it were yesterday and
maybe there would still be time to do something about what your husband, Bill
Clinton, did to me. There was a political rally for Mr. Clinton's bid for governor of
Arkansas. I had obligated myself to be at this rally prior to my being assaulted by
your husband in April, 1978. I had made up my mind to make an appearance and then
leave as soon as the two of you arrived. This was a big mistake, but I was still in a
state of shock and denial. You had questioned the gentleman who drove you and Mr.
Clinton from the airport. You asked him about me and if I would be at the gathering.
Do you remember? You told the driver, "Bill has talked so much about Juanita", and
that you were so anxious to meet me. Well, you wasted no time. As soon as you
entered the room, you came directly to me and grabbed my hand. Do you remember
how you thanked me, saying "we want to thank you for everything that you do for
Bill". At that point, I was pretty shaken and started to walk off. Remember how you
kept a tight grip on my hand and drew closer to me? You repeated your statement,
but this time with a coldness and look that I have seen many times on television in the
last eight years. You said, "Everything you do for Bill". You then released your grip
and I said nothing and left the gathering.

What did you mean, Hillary? Were you referring to my keeping quiet about the assault
I had suffered at the hands of your husband only two weeks before? Were you
warning me to continue to keep quiet? We both know the answer to that question.
Yes, I can answer Brit Hume's question. You are the same Hillary that you were
twenty years ago. You are cold, calculating and self-serving. You cannot tolerate the
thought that you will soon be without the power you have wielded for the last eight
years. Your effort to stay in power will be at the expense of the state of New York. I
only hope the voters of New York will wake up in time and realize that Hillary Clinton
is not an honorable or an honest person.

I will end by asking if you believe the statements I made on NBC Dateline when Lisa
Myers asked if I had been assaulted and raped by your husband? Or perhaps, you
are like Vice-President Gore and did not see the interview.

Juanita Broaddrick
Arkansas


The photograph of President Clinton with his hand on the knee of another blonde stewardess, Debra Schiff.


Broaddrick


Flowers


Jones


Lewinsky

plaidvillain wrote: Do we really need to revisit how the former Rep administration put us so deeply into a hole?...massive unaccounted spending on two huge scale wars, outrageous unaccounted giveaway to pharma with Medicare Part D, Patriot Act, nonstop bumbling of foreign diplomacy (do you remember the look on the German Chancellor's face when Bush gave her a shoulder rub?...haha...classic), nonstop bumbling of domestic policy (Katrina, 9-11)...

I assume you are responding to CB's question about what caused the economy to crash and how it was the Republican's fault?

So far as the two huge wars goes, the Afghanistan war was supported by most everyone and would of happened after 9/11 regardless of who was in charge. Iraq had a lot of Democratic support, including a majority of them in the Senate. The big recession started in Dec of 2007, but these wars started in 2001 and 2003. Kind of a delayed reaction don't you think? I'll grant they are major contributors to the debt, but do you really think they caused the crash and the recession?

Medicare Part D is actally a very popular program with seniors and it is at least partially funded by premiums paid and co-pays (private insurance) while Medicare is also only partially funded. Yes, much of it is unfunded like Medicare, but Part D has ended up costing less than projected while Medicare has cost far more than was projected. And I don't see the Dems funding it more, other than cutting down the donut hole with additional money required.

I don't see how the Patriot Act has contributed to the economy crashing, or is that just part of your rant? Nonetheless, Obama seems to love it as much as Bush did.

Regarding foreign and domestic policy, again I'm not sure what it has to do with the economy crashing. And while Bush had his blunders in 8 years, Obama is still catching up.

I think the main reasons the economy crashed have to do with the housing collapse, the crazy products offered by Wall Street, and lack of regulations (including laws that were overtuned like Glass Steagall). And I think both parties failed in that regards. Perhaps this is the "puppet masters" that you later alluded to? If so, I don't get what all the other stuff you tossed out was supposed to be about and how it was all the Republican's fault.

plaidvillain wrote: Ok...so we know there's no such thing as a "fiscally conservative" Republican anymore (remember, deficits don't matter?). Now "social conservative" doesn't mean anything. What the hell does "conservative" mean anymore? Best I can tell its a new synonym for "hypocrite".

Clinton blah blah blah. Kennedy blah blah blah. Newt gobble gobble gobble...

Same thing that a non fiscally liberal means. You sit there with your head in the sand, talking your typical trash about how the republicans didn't do this or how they didn't do that. Yet when the democrats held Washington Hostage for 4 years straight, 2 of them with a democratic President, and they did nothing, not a damn thing but make things worse. Of course nothing has changed either, they inflat thier numbers, especially during an election year, but then the truth comes out and all we hear is excuses. The democrats did nothing for job improvement, did nothing to provide a balanced budget, did nothing for the economy, so they are no damn better they the rest. Right now none of them are worth 2 cents. Both Parties have not done a damn thing for this country. So keep your head in the sand and the way things are going, well it is a good thing elections are coming up Some of the worthless trash in DC can be thrown out.