Working Outside can Kill You

Photo-fish wrote:

neptunechimney wrote:

Photo-fish wrote: So you think Obama is the reason that OSHA is again reminding people to use care when working outdoors?
You get what OSHA does? This notice is not on any Obama campaign website. It's a frigging public service notice.

YOU talking to me? :woo hoo: HELL NO, I do not
think Obama is the reason. I do get what OSHA does. Like most bloated bureaucracies it grows in purpose and power way beyond the original objective or intent.

I have dealt with OSHA or the Navy equivalent for over 40 years. It is about radiation levels, scaffolding, safety harnesses, ladders, breathing apparatus............etc.

PSA's mean they have ether too much time, People or money on there hands, probably all three.

I was actually talking to Otis, but your opinion is a welcome one. Your opinion of what OSHA does looks to be related with your specific dealings with them or the Navy Equiv. My experience is a little different so I see them as an overall safety tool.

PSA's means they have too much time, people or money? :bs: It is a website notice. How else are they suposed to get information out? It's not like they are going door to door or job to job and telling people to put on sun screen and drink water. I get OSHA and safety e-mails all the time for our Safety Committee. I will definately use this notice for our next company wide meeting.

It's a notice. Do companies actually follow notices? How do they get any work done outdoors?

Yes if you don't want sick employees. You can't force somebody to drink water or use personal protection materials. Some companies switch to 4-10 hour days in the summer. They also supply their workers with water and UV protection items and if it gets too hot they restrict some activities.

Driving can kill you... the state and counties set speed limits in an effort to make the roads safer... just like OSHA supplies guidelines to employers. Just like an employer can be cited for unsafe working conditions, you can be cited for unsafe driving. What's the difference Otis?

Photo-fish wrote: Yes if you don't want sick employees. You can't force somebody to drink water or use personal protection materials. Some companies switch to 4-10 hour days in the summer. They also supply their workers with water and UV protection items and if it gets too hot they restrict some activities.

You actually can force someone to use Personal protection equipment, IF it is part of the company safety plan.

Hard hats, traffic vests, work gloves and safety goggles are required PPE and you can visually confirm that your employee is using them. You can provide water and sunscreen in each vehicle or personally give it to each employee, but enforcing the use of those is difficult. Other than stopping all work for mandatory water breaks and making them put on sunscreen in the presense of a Supervisor.

National construction company was getting a lot of OSHA violations because its subcontractors weren't following the rules on each construction site (individual houses). Set up training for them and also instituted fines for violations, $50, $100, $200, and for the fourth violations, kicked off that construction site. I assessed the training for them. It wasn't the training that was effective, it was the fines. Thus, contractors and subcontractors aren't necessarily driven by safety for their employees, but by the bottom line. Hit 'em in the pocketbook and they'll comply if they want the jobs.

We don't read no steenkin notices.

Steel toed safety shoes, safety glasses, and ear plugs required at some mfg. sites I have been to. And don't step over the yellow line. Mandatory 2 hour safety course and a written test at the end too. MSDS data sheets for all chemicals too, which are filed away somewhere.

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: Driving can kill you... the state and counties set speed limits in an effort to make the roads safer... just like OSHA supplies guidelines to employers. Just like an employer can be cited for unsafe working conditions, you can be cited for unsafe driving. What's the difference Otis?

Why do I need OSHA to tell me it's a good idea to wear personal protective gear at a work site, much less remind me to drink water and avoid over exertion during the heat of the day? If your workers don't have enough common sense to know they need to take a break, drink some water, or not touch to the chain on the chainsaw when it's in operation you need workers with more common sense - not OSHA inspecting your work site and shutting down the job because someone is wearing the wrong color safety vest.

As for speed limits, I have always regarded them as a suggestion to the mean population of the driving population. The numbers on speed limit signs assume that the average car driven by the average drive can proceed at the speed on the sign assuming the road surface is dry and visibility is good. Add variables like rain, snow, fog, traffic, darkness, wildlife crossing the road, and other hazards. Is the speed on the sign still the safe speed? If I'm driving up 285 in a five ton truck with a full load in the bed that has a high center of gravity I'm not going to go the speed limit around the corners at Windy Point. On the other hand if I had access to a sports car I might be tempted to see what it can do on that same stretch of road and do so at the risk of having an encounter with law enforcement, getting a ticket, and having to pay the penalty for breaking the law.

otisptoadwater wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: Driving can kill you... the state and counties set speed limits in an effort to make the roads safer... just like OSHA supplies guidelines to employers. Just like an employer can be cited for unsafe working conditions, you can be cited for unsafe driving. What's the difference Otis?

Why do I need OSHA to tell me it's a good idea to wear personal protective gear at a work site, much less remind me to drink water and avoid over exertion during the heat of the day? If your workers don't have enough common sense to know they need to take a break, drink some water, or not touch to the chain on the chainsaw when it's in operation you need workers with more common sense - not OSHA inspecting your work site and shutting down the job because someone is wearing the wrong color safety vest.

As for speed limits, I have always regarded them as a suggestion to the mean population of the driving population. The numbers on speed limit signs assume that the average car driven by the average drive can proceed at the speed on the sign assuming the road surface is dry and visibility is good. Add variables like rain, snow, fog, traffic, darkness, wildlife crossing the road, and other hazards. Is the speed on the sign still the safe speed? If I'm driving up 285 in a five ton truck with a full load in the bed that has a high center of gravity I'm not going to go the speed limit around the corners at Windy Point. On the other hand if I had access to a sports car I might be tempted to see what it can do on that same stretch of road and do so at the risk of having an encounter with law enforcement, getting a ticket, and having to pay the penalty for breaking the law.

Why would they have on the wrong colored safety vest?