Rep. Coffman guilty of violating military code

17 May 2012 12:49 #11 by Blazer Bob
Thanks, I did not know that. Guess I will have to put away my crack pipe. :biggrin:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

neptunechimney wrote: I do not think the UCMJ applies to retired.


FEI (for everyone's information)

"Retired members of the uniformed services who are entitled to retirement pay are also subject to the UCMJ, as are retired reservists who are receiving hospital care in the VA system."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Co ... ry_Justice

I'm not ex-military or really familiar with the UCMJ, so I don't know or understand the finer details or how this comment by Coffman would actually be interpreted.

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17 May 2012 12:49 #12 by Reverend Revelant
Here's some more information

Rallies, Town Halls, and Meetings. You CAN attend a political rally or event as a spectator. You CANNOT wear your uniform to the rally. You CANNOT speak in front of the rally.

Letters-to-the-Editor. You CAN write a letter to the editor of a paper expressing your personal view calling for the repeal or passing of legislation and sign it as a service member.

Talking to or writing to your Member of Congress. You CAN express your personal opinion to Congress about legislation or personal issues. You CANNOT tell your Congressperson that you are speaking on behalf of your unit or the military when you tell him/her that DADT should be repealed. The right to communicate with Congress is found in Article 138, UCMJ, regarding complaints of wrongs. And you are protected from retaliation by statute, 10 U. S. Code 1034.

Talking on the radio/TV or at a program/group discussion. You CAN express your personal opinion when interviewed by the press, unless in uniform. You CANNOT tell the press that you represent the armed forces.

Petition. You CAN sign a petition. You CANNOT claim to represent the military when signing a petition.

Bumper Sticker. You CAN put a political oriented bumper sticker on your personal car. You CANNOT put bumper stickers on military vehicles.

Voting. You CAN vote for candidates who support your views. You can promote and encourage other military members to exercise their military voting rights, so long as such promotion does not constitute an attempt to influence or interfere with the outcome of an election; but you cannot encourage them to vote for a particular candidate or party. You CANNOT campaign for a particular candidate representing yourself as a military member. This includes participating fully in the Federal Voting Assistance Program.

Contributions. You CAN make monetary – not time – contributions to a political organization, party, or committee favoring a particular candidate or slate of candidates, subject to the limitations of law..

Fundraisers. You CAN attend a political dinner or similar fundraiser, but NOT in uniform. You CANNOT sell tickets for, or otherwise actively promote, the dinner or similar fundraising events.

Voting Day. You CANNOT conduct a political opinion survey under the auspices of a partisan political club or group or distribute partisan political literature. You CANNOT perform clerical or other duties for a partisan political committee or candidate during a campaign, on an election day, or after an election day during the process of closing out a campaign.

http://court-martial.com/ucmj-politics/


These rules appear to be targeted at someone who is active... I suspect that Coffman as a politician has the right to voice his opinion with in the confines of his job. In the case of being a House member, he is not representing the military and he is not in uniform while making these remarks. In that case... people like Allen West of Florida would be prevented from stating his opinion as a member of the House. And West has certainly had his say in regards to the president.

Good try. Lousy reasoning.

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17 May 2012 12:50 #13 by Something the Dog Said
Coffman in his "apology" for "misspeaking" refers to himself in the present tense as a Marine, so it appears that the military code does apply.

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17 May 2012 12:51 - 17 May 2012 12:53 #14 by Reverend Revelant

neptunechimney wrote: Thanks, I did not know that. Guess I will have to put away my crack pipe. :biggrin:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

neptunechimney wrote: I do not think the UCMJ applies to retired.


FEI (for everyone's information)

"Retired members of the uniformed services who are entitled to retirement pay are also subject to the UCMJ, as are retired reservists who are receiving hospital care in the VA system."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Co ... ry_Justice

I'm not ex-military or really familiar with the UCMJ, so I don't know or understand the finer details or how this comment by Coffman would actually be interpreted.


See my obove post. STDS is stretching. There has been many congress critters who were ex-military and voiced their opinions about the president. STDS is a lefty and the left is so worried about the upcoming elections that they are starting to act stupid. Did I say "starting"?

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17 May 2012 12:52 #15 by Reverend Revelant

Something the Dog Said wrote: Coffman in his "apology" for "misspeaking" refers to himself in the present tense as a Marine, so it appears that the military code does apply.


Then you better get right on this... see you in a few years rofllol

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17 May 2012 12:53 #16 by Martin Ent Inc
He just said what 60%+/- of Americans feel.
Should 'nt apologize at all.

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17 May 2012 12:55 #17 by Something the Dog Said

Martin Ent Inc wrote: He just said what 60%+/- of Americans feel.
Should 'nt apologize at all.

So he should be free from adhering to the oath that he swore as a military officer?

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17 May 2012 12:57 #18 by Reverend Revelant
SUre... remember Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990. (1)...

Murtha told CNN on July 12, following a Bush speech, that the president's views on the success of surge in Iraq were "delusional."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/ ... crats.html


Lets COURT MARTIAL a dead man. I could find dozens of quotes like this from current and ex Democratic retired servicemen who trash talked the president.

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17 May 2012 12:58 #19 by Blazer Bob

Something the Dog Said wrote: Coffman in his "apology" for "misspeaking" refers to himself in the present tense as a Marine, so it appears that the military code does apply.


It appears that your lack of knowledge about Marines is vast. Ever hear the phrase "Once a Marine, always a Marine"?

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17 May 2012 13:00 #20 by Something the Dog Said

neptunechimney wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Coffman in his "apology" for "misspeaking" refers to himself in the present tense as a Marine, so it appears that the military code does apply.


It appears that your lack of knowledge about Marines is vast. Ever hear the phrase "Once a Marine, always a Marine"?

So then the military code does apply. Semper Fi

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