Walker & Wisconsin: Guerilla War?

If the recall fails tomorrow think the Dems will continue the war via lawsuits like they did to Sarah Palin in Alaska? I think they will. Just don't like to lose.

FredHayek wrote: If the recall fails tomorrow think the Dems will continue the war via lawsuits like they did to Sarah Palin in Alaska? I think they will. Just don't like to lose.

Not when losing could have dire consequences for Wisconsin, the US, and workers all across this country.

archer wrote:

FredHayek wrote: If the recall fails tomorrow think the Dems will continue the war via lawsuits like they did to Sarah Palin in Alaska? I think they will. Just don't like to lose.

Not when losing could have dire consequences for Wisconsin, the US, and workers all across this country.

So... what the voters want (probably wanted twice) doesn't matter?

archer wrote:

FredHayek wrote: If the recall fails tomorrow think the Dems will continue the war via lawsuits like they did to Sarah Palin in Alaska? I think they will. Just don't like to lose.

Not when losing could have dire consequences for Wisconsin, the US, and workers all across this country.

Is Wisconsin suffering dire consequences? What are they?

Loss of collective bargaining for one...I understand that conservatives are OK with the loss of rights for workers and unions, but most liberals think any loss of rights is a bad trend, even those who personally are not big fans of unions.

archer wrote: Loss of collective bargaining for one...I understand that conservatives are OK with the loss of rights for workers and unions, but most liberals think any loss of rights is a bad trend, even those who personally are not big fans of unions.

What part of collective bargaining did they loose?

archer wrote: Loss of collective bargaining for one...I understand that conservatives are OK with the loss of rights for workers and unions, but most liberals think any loss of rights is a bad trend, even those who personally are not big fans of unions.

Even the icon of "progressive" ideology - FDR - knew that collective bargaining and public workers was an inherently bad mix replete with conflict of interests that would end up harming the ability of every level of government to effectively manage their budgets. I am in full agreement with the ability of public workers to organize and to be represented by a union to address issues of workplace safety, working conditions and job security. Wages and benefits? Not a chance. In the private sector collective bargaining for wages and benefits works because the business has a profit motive. In government there is only political profit to be had, which is why collective bargaining for public workers shouldn't be taking place.

archer wrote:

FredHayek wrote: If the recall fails tomorrow think the Dems will continue the war via lawsuits like they did to Sarah Palin in Alaska? I think they will. Just don't like to lose.

Not when losing could have dire consequences for Wisconsin, the US, and workers all across this country.

Here's some of those "dire" consequences possible for the rest of the country...

Walker can claim to have wiped out a $3.6 billion deficit without raising taxes or seeing service cutbacks.

The average homeowner’s property tax bill would have been about $700 higher if the previous rate of increase had continued.

The state now expects to have a surplus of $150 million at the end of the current budget cycle.

Brown Deer, a suburb of Milwaukee, is saving $1 million in pension and health-care costs.

“We had many teachers tell us, let’s save everybody’s job,” Brown Deer superintendent Deb Kerr told the Chicago Tribune. “We didn’t cut programs. We didn’t raise class sizes. And we maintained our level of staffing.”

At least 52 local school districts are saving an average of $220 per student because they can now shop around for health insurance for their employees.

The jobs picture is also improving. Last year, the state added 24,000 new jobs.

Chief Executive magazine reported in 2010 that Wisconsin ranked 41st out of 50 states in terms of the ease of doing business. In its new survey, the state has jumped to 20th place, the fastest surge in the history of the magazine’s survey.

Gee... I hope this doesn't happen to the rest of the country? rofllol

It might have been nice Fred if you had cited your source for this info....I found most of it in the NationalReview, and we all know how unbiased they are. I believe when you take quotes from an online publication you are supposed to give them credit.

and then there is "the rest of the story"

Walker said new figures he released indicating Wisconsin added more than 20,000 jobs in 2011 are "the final job numbers." But the count won’t become final until after it is reviewed by the federal government.

We rate Walker’s statement False.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/sta ... w-figures/

The confusion, it appears, stems from a section in Lang’s memo that -- read on its own -- does project a $121 million surplus in the state’s general fund as of June 30, 2011.

But the remainder of the routine memo -- consider it the fine print -- outlines $258 million in unpaid bills or expected shortfalls in programs such as Medicaid services for the needy ($174 million alone), the public defender’s office and corrections. Additionally, the state owes Minnesota $58.7 million under a discontinued tax reciprocity deal.

The result, by our math and Lang’s, is the $137 million shortfall.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/sta ... udget-sur/

some good some bad on the school issue, but it certainbly isn't as Walker portrays it

Walker is on target when he says districts who used the "tools" could more than offset the cuts. It’s true, at least on paper, because districts could charge their employees 100 percent of health care costs if they wanted.

Obviously that’s not realistic, and not all districts were in a position to use the tools at all because of labor deals.

Critics of Walker’s moves were correct in saying that school staffing cuts were worse under Walker than under his predecessor.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/art ... fected-sc/

I found lots more....smoke and mirrors is what comes to mind on all these glowing reports of life in Wisconsin.

Here is what is sad,

Walker won the office by election, which means the majority voted for him, the minority of folks did not like what he did so they what him removed, so if the recall fails that means the majority wins again and the minority will try anything to get him out. The hell with what the majority wants its all about the "me me me" thing.