One More Massacre

How about this? Let's remove all man made weapon systems from Earth and send them to the core of the sun to be destroyed forever. What would keep one person from picking up a rock or a log and clubbing someone else over the head? Weapons will never go away and there will always be industries producing the latest, greatest devices.

Human beings align themselves with others that have common beliefs, these clusters of people have deferring opinions and that leads to conflicts, be they minor or major. If you don't want to live in a Nation that allows citizens to keep and bear arms you are free to move to a Nation that doesn't allow it. Upon arrival in those other nations don't be surprised when the bad guys have illegal weapons and may be armed better than the Police and the Military.

Who here had suggested we ban all weapons? I couldn't find that post, other than yours Otis.

navycpo7 wrote:

Raees wrote: It's a trick. When people tell you that you shouldn't politicize a tragedy like the shooting in Aurora, Colorado they are unwittingly helping to spread NRA propaganda. After a tragedy like that, it is the most logical thing in the world to ask what went wrong and how we can fix it. When you ask that question, the obvious answer is our gun laws. It's awfully hard to stab 70 people and kill 12 of them in a short period of time like that. It's very easy to murder those same people if you have an AR-15 assault rifle, a shotgun and two glocks.

This is the obvious conclusion that the NRA desperately wants you to avoid. So, they do a brilliant trick where they tell you that you are not allowed to talk about the problem in the immediate aftermath of the violence and death their guns caused -- that would be politicizing the tragedy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygu ... _hp_ref=tw

The only one I see talking about the NRA is you, you are the one that thinks you know the what they do, how they do it etc. Your as stupid as vl.

You left out the tear gas and various incendiary devices he used or planned to use.
Your statement above says all that anyone really needs to know about you.
Navy....glad we are on the same side. It is an honor to call folks like you friend.

Oddly enough....I don't think I have ever had a talk with the NRA or even read any of their publications.
I have read the 2nd amendment though.

Martin Ent Inc wrote: If an armed citizen had been present then the perp would most likely have been stopped sooner as well.

Yeah... A perp covered head to toe in tactical armor, (including throat, groin, leg protection), a smoke-filled room, and collateral kids and adults all around. Sounds like the perfect "Dirty Harry" moment for a Neanderthal shoot-out to me....

Democracy4Sale wrote:

Martin Ent Inc wrote: If an armed citizen had been present then the perp would most likely have been stopped sooner as well.

Yeah... A perp covered head to toe in tactical armor, (including throat, groin, leg protection), a smoke-filled room, and collateral kids and adults all around. Sounds like the perfect "Dirty Harry" moment for a Neanderthal shoot-out to me....

Well... we know you wouldn't have enough balls to be of any help. Thanks for pointing that out.

otisptoadwater wrote: How about this? Let's remove all man made weapon systems from Earth and send them to the core of the sun to be destroyed forever. What would keep one person from picking up a rock or a log and clubbing someone else over the head? Weapons will never go away and there will always be industries producing the latest, greatest devices.

Human beings align themselves with others that have common beliefs, these clusters of people have deferring opinions and that leads to conflicts, be they minor or major. If you don't want to live in a Nation that allows citizens to keep and bear arms you are free to move to a Nation that doesn't allow it. Upon arrival in those other nations don't be surprised when the bad guys have illegal weapons and may be armed better than the Police and the Military.

Otis do not forget to remove all weapons from the governments, etc. Let's have a level playing field. After all, government is only a collective of humans who have the need to have power over others. Then we can all sit around singing Lennon's "Imagine".

Wait a minute! What do we do about human nature?

Jim Wright is really turning into my “go-to” guy lately .

We all agree that as Americans it’s our basic right to keep and own firearms. But also, some people really, really shouldn’t be allowed to own even a Nerf slingshot, let alone a machine that can punch five hundred fist sized holes in a room full of people in under a minute. How about some background checks, waiting periods, and some kind of reasonable way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, terrorists, and crazy people?

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How can we stop this without stepping on the rights of a great many other citizens?


And that is a very good question indeed.


The problem is that we can't even have a rational discussion how we might answer that question.


The NRA and the gun lobby are already geared up and ready for a fight and there isn't going to be any, repeat any, encroachment on gun rights, period.


Americans are bang bang crazy when it comes to guns.


Understand something here, I'm a gun owner. I've had extensive training and experience with guns of all kinds, from small arms right on up to US Navy Main Guns. I've taught small arms for more than twenty years. I've used guns against other human beings. Likely I have more direct experience with guns than anybody you're likely to meet, I'm a strong advocate for the 2nd Amendment - and I firmly believe that we need some kind of rational gun control in this country. But guns and rational aren't concepts that go together in America. Period.

More background checks? Looks like this latest shooter would have passed them. And a waiting period wouldn't have helped either.

Becky wrote:

navycpo7 wrote:

Raees wrote: It's a trick. When people tell you that you shouldn't politicize a tragedy like the shooting in Aurora, Colorado they are unwittingly helping to spread NRA propaganda. After a tragedy like that, it is the most logical thing in the world to ask what went wrong and how we can fix it. When you ask that question, the obvious answer is our gun laws. It's awfully hard to stab 70 people and kill 12 of them in a short period of time like that. It's very easy to murder those same people if you have an AR-15 assault rifle, a shotgun and two glocks.

This is the obvious conclusion that the NRA desperately wants you to avoid. So, they do a brilliant trick where they tell you that you are not allowed to talk about the problem in the immediate aftermath of the violence and death their guns caused -- that would be politicizing the tragedy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygu ... _hp_ref=tw

Your statement above says all that anyone really needs to know about you.

It's not MY statement. It's from the article I linked to, although I agree with it.

So let's also ban any materials that could be used to make explosive materials since the shooter was also good at making them. That should stop all the bad guys.

Get real. There will always be some over the top screwballs.

What people need to do now is like they do in Israel, be more aware and responsible for managing a situation w/o expecting any help. Nice if help arrives but don't count on it.