One More Massacre

I think that it is a bad idea.

Why couldn't you have said that in the first place? The attack was unnecessary.

Democracy4Sale wrote: Why couldn't you have said that in the first place? The attack was unnecessary.

As is this.

Raees wrote: We should be really proud -- we're #1 in ...

1. The number of guns per capita. 90 guns for every 100 people. Yemen is a distant second at 61.

Number of firearms in America - between 223,000,000 and 290,000,000 (Small Arms Survey, Graduate Institue of International Studies, 2008)

Raees wrote: 2. In gun violence. Nearly 100,000 people get shot every year. That's 270 people a day and 87 dead because of gun violence every day. That's seven Colorado shootings per day!

54% of gun shot deaths are suicides (80% in Canada). Numerious studies have shown that the presence of absence of a firearm does not change the overall (i.e., gun plus non-gun) suicide rate - National Center for Health Statistics, average rates for years 1981 through 2003, and Death Involving Firearms, Kathryn Wilkins, Health Report vol. 16 no 4, Statistics Canada

And a for daily deaths: "25% of this unreliable figure includes "direct war deaths," and another 14% are suicides. The bulk of the rest come from violence-prone and nearl lawless localities. All published figures are estimates based on incomplete information. The definition of "gun" seems to be very broad: "...revolvers and self-loading pistols, rifles and carbines, assault rifles, sub-machine guns, and light machine guns." Light weapons are "...heavy machine guns, hand-held under-barrel and mounted grenade launchers, portable antitank and anti-aircraft guns, recoilless rifles, protable launchers of anti-tank and anti-aircraft missile systems, and mortars of less than 100mm caliber." - (my note: just try to find these at a dealer on gun show) - IANSA, 2006 Small Arms Survey.

Raees wrote: 3. The number of child deaths because of guns. Nearly 3,000 kids are killed by guns every year.

This "statistic" includes "children" up to age 19 or 24, depending upon the source. Most violent crime is committed by males ages 16-24, these numbers end up including adult gang members dying during criminal activity. 339 children (age 14 and under) died from gunfire in all of 2006, or fewer than one per day. This includes homicides and accidents combined. - CDC National Vital Statistics System Report R00.1-Y89.9, 2006 and FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1997. For contrast: 1917 children die each day from malaria around the world and 15 men, women, and children per day are murdered by a convicted felon in government supervised parole/probation programs in the US. - UN. World Health Organization and US Bureau of Justice Statistics. (my note: OK, I probably should not use UN information; I don't trust them any further than I could throw them, but what the hey)

Raees wrote: And gun manufacturers cheer on! What is their response to all of this? They send out their Republican minions to say that the answer is more guns. If only other people in the crowd had guns, then everything would have been alright. Yes, because in that dark, smoke filled theater if there were more than two or three shooters everyone would have known who was the original shooter and less people would have been shot, right?

How would the third gunmen know if the second gunmen were part of the team that was shooting the place up (like Klebold and Harris at Columbine) or one of the guys trying to prevent it? Let alone the fourth or the fifth gunmen, let alone the cops who show up.

I think you're misconstruing here. The answer is not more guns per se, but allowing citizens the human right of self-defense. BTW, Cinemark cinemas are "gun free zones", so how could this have happened? Psycho obviously did not read and obey the sign at the entrance. The question of whether or not a legally armed citizen would have been able to do anything in this situation is questionable; between the darkness, smoke, and many patrons in full lizard-brain stampede coupled with the fact that the Psycho was armoured, I think not. I personally think I would have been lying on the floor playing dead whether I was armed or not. But I wonder if Psycho would have chosen that venue if it were not a "gun free zone". Hmmmm....schools are "gun free zones" too....

BTW, did you know that, according to the most recent FBI statistics (last year, I believe) firearms were used to thwart approximatly 6000 crimes per day? The vast majority of those actions did not involve a shot being fired.

In 1911 Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917 approximately 1.5 million Armenians, deprived of the right to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed.

In 1929 the USSR established gun control. From 1929 to 1953 approximately 20 million dissidents were rounded up and killed.

In 1938 Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945 over 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill, union leaders, Catholics, and others were rounded up and killed.

In 1935 China established gun control. Between 1948 and 1952 over 20 million dissidents were rounded up and killed.

In 1956 Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977 over one million people - the "intellegensia" - were rounded up and killed.

In 1964 Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981 over 100,000 Mayans were rounded up and killed.

In 1970 Uganda established gun control. That decade over 300,000 Christians were rounded up and killed.

Recently Venezuela established gun control. Let's see what ol' Hugo does with that.

And you may argue that this can't happen in the good 'ol USA - no one will be rounded up here. Well, tell that to the Japanese. And another question: Why do politicians and celebrities work so hard to deprive us of our right to self-defense when they are surrounded by armed body guards? Let ask Diane Feinstein, shall we (did you know she has a CCW?).

“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." - Mahatma Gandhi

Molon Lave.

cydl wrote:

Raees wrote: We should be really proud -- we're #1 in ...

1. The number of guns per capita. 90 guns for every 100 people. Yemen is a distant second at 61.

Number of firearms in America - between 223,000,000 and 290,000,000 (Small Arms Survey, Graduate Institue of International Studies, 2008)

With a population of 311 million and 290 million guns, that's about 90 guns for every 100 people.

You're welcome.

That's a good #.
As in all politics, the ones without will want the ones with to protect their ass when the shit hits the fan,,, and it is a coming.

Raees wrote:

cydl wrote:

Raees wrote: We should be really proud -- we're #1 in ...

1. The number of guns per capita. 90 guns for every 100 people. Yemen is a distant second at 61.

Number of firearms in America - between 223,000,000 and 290,000,000 (Small Arms Survey, Graduate Institue of International Studies, 2008)

With a population of 311 million and 290 million guns, that's about 90 guns for every 100 people.

You're welcome.

amazing considering how the murder rate continues to fall as more guns keep being bought.

AMAZINGLY CNN just posted that the murder rate, crime rate etc has dropped alot since 2007 but gun purchases has risen ridiculously.

"Raees wrote: With a population of 311 million and 290 million guns, that's about 90 guns for every 100 people.

You're welcome.

Statistics ....
I have zero guns I doubt I am 1 in 10. Some of you are collectors. Raees can you provide a better statistic? How many guns are useable and in use? How do you count guns, useable guns and collectors pieces? If you have 20 guns and I have zero, statistically how many guns do I have?