My Current Avatar - Making a Point

Many have voiced their objections to my current avatar. Allow me to point out that the current situation in our Nation should cause everyone to hold the current administration accountable for the last four years. Now is the time to not only question where our elected leadership is taking the nation but to object to the ruin that lays before us in the near term. THE SITUATION IS DIRE!

I grew up in the Boy Scouts, served 16 years in the US Navy, and currently work in the Defense Industry. Don't think for one second that I don't know and fully understand the significance of flying the flag of the the United States of America upside down. Wake up and have a look around, do you feel safe in the Nation you live in today? How about your future? Don't lay down and let the liberals distort what our founding fathers set in motion in 1776, fight back, vote smarter, hold elected officials accountable, protest peacefully and demand results from elected officials.

Or stick your head back into the sand, it's easier to cope with issues that you can't see and choose not to be aware of.

You made your comment, I made mine. I find it offensive, disrespectful and dishonorable. In other words, beneath both your dignity and ours.

otisptoadwater wrote: Many have voiced their objections to my current avatar. Allow me to point out that the current situation in our Nation should cause everyone to hold the current administration accountable for the last four years. Now is the time to not only question where our elected leadership is taking the nation but to object to the ruin that lays before us in the near term. THE SITUATION IS DIRE!

I grew up in the Boy Scouts, served 16 years in the US Navy, and currently work in the Defense Industry. Don't think for one second that I don't know and fully understand the significance of flying the flag of the the United States of America upside down. Wake up and have a look around, do you feel safe in the Nation you live in today? How about your future? Don't lay down and let the liberals distort what our founding fathers set in motion in 1776, fight back, vote smarter, hold elected officials accountable, protest peacefully and demand results from elected officials.

Or stick your head back into the sand, it's easier to cope with issues that you can't see and choose not to be aware of.

Wow, now you've really ruined the country!

There are much worse ways to protest. He is doing this for the shock value, this is needed today to get anyone's attention, in fact, even shock value does not work well these days.

Otis, I hate to day it, but if becoming 50% slave does not wake people up, I don't think an up side down flag is going to do it. Or is that just the new flag with PR as a state?

The only way Toad could "prove a point" is if he took his hat off...

Grow up.

Grow up?

He is making a peaceful stand for what he believes. What would be the grown up way to do what he is doing?

This is not snarky, it is a real question. Please remember that I don't follow most posters general viewpoints, I generally take each thread and post on it's own. So except for you and a few others, I need to see some faces to match personalities. So I usually don't know when I respond if someone is conservative or liberal. Seems you are responding to other posts.

Put the flag, upside-down if need be, in his yard. Posting it on a chatroom has but one desired outcome: P*ss everybody off.

"Grow up" means "You lost the friggin' election...Get over it." We lost in 2004 when the country was stupid enough to put the Idiot Son back in for a second term. I don't remember seeing any upside-down flags on any of the forums back then...certainly not on P.C.

LadyJazzer wrote: Put the flag, upside-down if need be, in his yard. Posting it on a chatroom has but one desired outcome: P*ss everybody off.

"Grow up" means "You lost the friggin' election...Get over it." We lost in 2004 when the country was stupid enough to put the Idiot Son back in for a second term. I don't remember seeing any upside-down flags on any of the forums back then...certainly not on P.C.

Flag in yard, neighbors and passerby have to see it, that is like the lit up cross on the side of the Majestic Rocky Mountains as you drive up the beloved 285 - barf - why not suspend fabric over miles of a river while you are at it, with crosses on it. I say posting it here is far more tasteful - no one ever has to see stuff here ever if they don't want.

Otis's candidate may have lost the presidency, but perhaps he is worried about all the mandate BS where people are saying that there is all this stuff that comes with electing this one person in a gov. of 1000's of big players and 1,000,000's of existing and engrained regulations. There was a mandate to let adults have a grow a small amount of weed in CO.

Also just because an idea was not employed by your fellow party members, a different party from Otis (I believe) does not mean that he cannot adopt a new peaceful way to protest that you did not employ almost a decade ago. Also, I think it has been hashed out that this forum is different than Pine Cam on a number of levels, officially and otherwise.

I also think that if you step outside of yourself for a moment, you would fine (I assume) that Otis was using this pic to protest and rally vs. piss people off. He is likely happy that he did piss you off, but that is just the fringe benefit for him. What he really wants is change or perhaps the right to not be subject to your will (oh wait, that's me).

Yeah, but WHAT THE FFFFFFF*********____________KKKKKKKKK was American thinking in 2004???

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We could have avoided all of this.

Toad doesn't p*ss me off... I frankly don't care about his upside-down flag.

First, I don't give Toad much of a second thought and what he chooses to do is pretty irrelevant to me.

Second, I consider his upside-down flag a rather childish foot-stomping, hold-my-breath-until-I-turn-blue expression of right-wing displeasure at having lost an election... (I repeat: Get over it...)

Third, I consider this to be another form of this subtle "I'm a patriot" (because I served in the military; because I'm a Republican/Conservative/Libertarian/whatever...And you're not, because you're a Liberal/etc.) As if people who vote Democratic AREN'T "patriots", etc... I'm pretty fed up with that "Right-wing = patriotic....Left-wing = not" bullcrap.

He's entitled to think whatever he wants. I'm entitled to think it's pretty juvenile to play his little game on the forum. His upside-down flag doesn't upset me; although it apparently upsets others. I just chalk it up to the usual lame right-wing antics ... We didn't get our way when thought we should have, and now America is going down to destruction...B.S.

Hey Toad... THe black helicopters and FEMA internment camps are just for you...

It is a clear violation of federal statutes. In fact under Title 14 of the United States Code, it is a clear sign of disrespect of the flag and for which it stands to:
§ 8. Respect for Flag.
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the
flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, state flags, and
organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with union down, except as a signal of dire
distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
So Toad in disrespecting our flag, is also disrespecting that for which it stands including those serving our country bravely in foreign combat, dying and being maimed to maintain respect for our country and for the flag which represents all that we hold dear.

What a scumbag, Toad.