The last few days, any better?

Rick wrote: doing my best to be that guy again...starting with not engaging anyone who hates me for what I stand for and believe in.

on that note wrote: I appreciate everyone responding and discussing my inquiry. Perhaps I was a little optimistic. I still feel like there is an air of a tone where folks were thinking just a little more about what they were saying.

But in reading the last few pages, I have a new question, it comes after reading MtnTrecker's post, which I have a response for below.

I think the reason I posted all this stuff recently about discussing how we discuss, I did not communicate clearly what I wanted from this business and perhaps if I state it better, I may get it. I would like a forum where people that are very curious about the political and social systems can gather and discuss such things. Still with the understanding that we are all biased, I would like a place where those that are both curious about the perspectives of both those that share their convictions and those that do not. This is a place that people go to ask questions and try and influence people.

I think I may be asking for another forum, we can call it the River Camp. In this forum we have the decorum of a typical well run high school or college classroom where many perspectives may be allowed. Anyone can be the teacher/professor or the student looking for a teacher/professor. This is polysci and econ class.

I suggest this to be added on top of the current forums which seem to well defined themes that SC and the crew have formed and allowed to mature into their own. The Ring seems to be a place for extremes, the poop jokes and the extra threats. The courthouse is where there is going to be heated arguments, insults, facts mixed with strong opinion and regret. I suggest the rivercamp (because I came up with the idea) and this is the place for well informed or educational discussions on political science and economic. I feel that there may be enough demand and many posters from the courthouse could perhaps have their finest moments in such a forum. I suggest that this is a forum you can be banned from temporarily for a month based on one request and a 285bound crew agreement. I would also be fine fielding those requests as to have the forum self moderate, but with time outs determined by one or a number of people or a rotating moderator. I realize this is just another layer, but any thoughts, no one has to give up anything in the courthouse to make this happen. I will repost this in its own thread, this posts comes from page 5 of "The last few days, any better?"

In the end I often have legitimate questions about how society is functioning or ideas about what I think we could do and I am looking for a place to discuss that. I ask for it here, because despite all that we see in the courthouse, we have a reasonable group of people that has even bothered to think about this stuff. I may not agree, but I find that your comments can open my mind even further, help me refine thoughts or plant seeds for new ideas. I am saying I have seen enough passionate banter on here, that I value some alternative perspectives. So thanks, and I am curious if anyone else feels similar.

I could then be an ass in the courthouse and a nerd in rivercamp. Feel free to come up with a better name.

I have not given up yet, there is a solution.

To Mtntrekker.

I don't think when accounts are free and open access that one needs to worry about closing an account, One can just leave and not log on again. If your request is to have your posts deleted or to have your persona profile restricted, that may be something that you should ask directly of 285 staff....just something tells me that that may be less receptive than they would have been prior to your post...but what am I saying, you are gone.....but you will be back, at least to lurk.

Why not just be an ass in the Ring? If we built a forum to replace the Courthouse so people can be rude there, they will just be rude in the new forum and demand another rude forum. Science Chic constructed this well, is it really asking too much that your excrement tossing to the area designed for it? How can we expect our representatives to talk about this stuff if we can't? All I am hearing is that each side wants the other side to be well behaved while their side continues to act like middle schoolers.

chickaree wrote: All I am hearing is that each side wants the other side to be well behaved while their side continues to act like middle schoolers.

BINGO

JMO.....addressing On that Note's most recent suggestion. THAT idea is VERY labor intensive and there is not enough manpower to execute. The Ring is really the answer,abusive,ego
centered behavior is kept within a contained area and NOT moderated or deleted.

archer wrote:

chickaree wrote: All I am hearing is that each side wants the other side to be well behaved while their side continues to act like middle schoolers.

BINGO

Yep. That's exactly right.

Nobody that matters wrote:

archer wrote:

chickaree wrote: All I am hearing is that each side wants the other side to be well behaved while their side continues to act like middle schoolers.

BINGO

Yep. That's exactly right.

Seems like many of us agree but nobody thinks it's possible to change it. It only changes when you REJECT the problem people on your own side. Everytime you back someone up who just spewed hate or derogatory bs, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. I admit it, I've done it. But I'm also painfully aware of it and I have the self control to change it. Do you?

Rick wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

archer wrote:

chickaree wrote: All I am hearing is that each side wants the other side to be well behaved while their side continues to act like middle schoolers.

BINGO

Yep. That's exactly right.

Seems like many of us agree but nobody thinks it's possible to change it. It only changes when you REJECT the problem people on your own side. Everytime you back someone up who just spewed hate or derogatory bs, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. I admit it, I've done it. But I'm also painfully aware of it and I have the self control to change it. Do you?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Depends on whether I want a serious discussion or if I just want to poke someone with a stick and see if I can get them to squeal.

Nobody that matters wrote:

Rick wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

archer wrote:

chickaree wrote: All I am hearing is that each side wants the other side to be well behaved while their side continues to act like middle schoolers.

BINGO

Yep. That's exactly right.

Seems like many of us agree but nobody thinks it's possible to change it. It only changes when you REJECT the problem people on your own side. Everytime you back someone up who just spewed hate or derogatory bs, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM. I admit it, I've done it. But I'm also painfully aware of it and I have the self control to change it. Do you?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Depends on whether I want a serious discussion or if I just want to poke someone with a stick and see if I can get them to squeal.

I agree, and there is already two places to do that very thing (isn't one place enough?) I just think The Courthouse was misnamed. It should be The Mudhouse since it has very little in common with a Courthouse. No offense SC, it's not your fault, it's just reality.

You guys do know Pinecam still exists right?

I believe my MOST RECENT experience at Pinecam is a credible observation.

The Study=TheCourthouse and within that structure on Pinecam, serious,calm,factual posts STARTED that way,but did NOT continue
that way,ultimately posts would become MORE abusive,MORE rabid and the thread would spiral out of control. THEN heavy moderation
would commence,whole sections of the thread deleted and sometimes required to VANISH. It is the nature of these types of sites.

ULTIMATELY you are asking for more manpower to monitor an ADDITIONAL forum.......WHO is willing to step up to the plate, on an on-
going basis, to accomplish that? What mechanism would be in place to ASSURE that the mode of operation described above would NOT
transpire?

The answer is obvious to me.......The Courthouse is the appropriate discussion and the Ring is the appropriate place for the rabid
responses that ensue......I think the concept is best described as "KISS".....(keep it simple stupid)...NOT calling anyone stupid,just
referencing a WELL KNOWN phrase. JMO