Does this Surprise anyone?

Something the Dog Said wrote: But then you don't have anything constructive, do you?

That wasn't necessary. The only thing is the post you're responding to that's out of line was the "big Dem contributors" comment. The rest is a legit comment.

It's a good point that the lawyers will love something like this - a whole new arena in which to play.

Would this liability extend to someone that makes a gun too available? Too easy to steal? Too easy to pull out of a government bulk auction when it was placed there by mistake?

It's also a good point that if you skip a background check in a sale, the easiest way around the liabilty is to file down the serial number. No tracking means no evidence trail.

As usual, sucking up too many bad crime novels. Crime labs can raise filed-off serial numbers in minutes...

Next deflection........?

LadyJazzer wrote: As usual, sucking up too many bad crime novels. Crime labs can raise filed-off serial numbers in minutes...

Next deflection........?

I don't believe it's a deflection.

Obliterated Serial Number Restoration
Many items such as firearms, electronic equipment, farm equipment, industrial machinery, trucks, motorcycles and other motor vehicles will have identifying serial numbers or markings stamped on the metal surfaces. Even though federal and state laws make it a violation to alter or remove identifying data from some of these items, numerous cases involving this type of evidence are still encountered. Criminal activity involving theft or illegal use of these items may cause an offender to remove identifying data so that ownership cannot be traced. When numbers have been over-stamped or obliterated by grinding, sanding or other methods, the numbers may no longer be identifiable. Through use of chemical and physical restoration techniques, the numbers can sometimes be made readable again.

"Sometimes".

Magnetic particle testing is used by crime laboratories for the recovery of obliterated
serial numbers, but with limited success.

It all depends on how well the number is removed.

I bet you think CSI can zoom in and claify a face on a grainy, pixellated surveilance video too, huh?

No, but I did do the research on raising filed-off serial numbers. Before you make yourself look any more foolish, you should too.

LadyJazzer wrote: No, but I did do the research on raising filed-off serial numbers. Before you make yourself look any more foolish, you should too.

I did... If a serial number is filed off, it's easilly restored. The stamping process alters the metal deeper than the visible numbers. Recovery can be obstructed by subsequent stamping of equal force, heat treating, or just removal of more metal below the serial number.

Good...Then since we both know it's true, your previous unnecessary snarky response was just so much b.s. Glad we got that out of the way.

LadyJazzer wrote: Good...Then since we both know it's true, your previous unnecessary snarky response was just so much b.s. Glad we got that out of the way.

But, if someone is going to sell a firearm without a background check, do you think it's that much of a jump to think that they'd effectively remove the serial number before they did it? It's the most logical way to get around liability due to an executive Order.

Whatever... Save your snark for someone who cares.

LadyJazzer wrote: Whatever... Save your snark for someone who cares.

I'm not being snarky, I'm sorry you're taking it that way.

Assigning liability to a seller is going to have an unintended consequence of an increase in firearms with the serial numbers removed. It's just an opinion, and is in no way a personal jab at you or any other individual.

And unless someone is sophisticated enough to take a weapon that's had its serial number filed off, and perform extraordinary measures on it, any crime lab will still be able to raise it.

I'm sorry you feel the need to continue to beat a dead horse with your snark over something that is for all practical purposes, a "distinction without a difference."