Does this Surprise anyone?

Nobody that matters wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Good...Then since we both know it's true, your previous unnecessary snarky response was just so much b.s. Glad we got that out of the way.

But, if someone is going to sell a firearm without a background check, do you think it's that much of a jump to think that they'd effectively remove the serial number before they did it? It's the most logical way to get around liability due to an executive Order.

But you have already admitted that "effectively remove" the serial number is not effective at all, and would not make any difference. More importantly, it is a felony offense to possess a firearm with the serial number removed. So why would anyone in the business of selling firearms, or private individuals selling from their own collection commit a felony which then cause them to lose the privilege of owning a firearm. You are spouting as much nonsense as Fred.

Something the Dog Said wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Good...Then since we both know it's true, your previous unnecessary snarky response was just so much b.s. Glad we got that out of the way.

But, if someone is going to sell a firearm without a background check, do you think it's that much of a jump to think that they'd effectively remove the serial number before they did it? It's the most logical way to get around liability due to an executive Order.

But you have already admitted that "effectively remove" the serial number is not effective at all, and would not make any difference. More importantly, it is a felony offense to possess a firearm with the serial number removed. So why would anyone in the business of selling firearms, or private individuals selling from their own collection commit a felony which then cause them to lose the privilege of owning a firearm. You are spouting as much nonsense as Fred.

I never admitted that you couldn't remove a serial number - quite the opposite, I said you can do it very effectively with stuff that I have in my garage right now.

And the removal of serial numbers is going to be an unintended consequence of assigning liability to a seller that doesn't perform a background check on the buyer. If they're purposely going outside the law to sell a weapon, they might as well go the extra mile to make it tough to trace back.

I'm not spouting nonsense, you're just being dense.

No, you are advocating for two felony acts.

Something the Dog Said wrote: No, you are advocating for two felony acts.

Currently, someone sells a gun without a background check, there's no liability, so there's no reason to remove the serial number. I think it's a severe case of tunnel vision if you can't see that opening up the seller to liability is going to increase the cases of removed serial numbers.

That's all.

I'm not advocating anything. I'm just giving my opinion about what the results of a proposed Executive order are going to be. If you disagree, I'm fine with that.

Nobody that matters wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: No, you are advocating for two felony acts.

Currently, someone sells a gun without a background check, there's no liability, so there's no reason to remove the serial number. I think it's a severe case of tunnel vision if you can't see that opening up the seller to liability is going to increase the cases of removed serial numbers.

That's all.

I'm not advocating anything. I'm just giving my opinion about what the results of a proposed Executive order are going to be. If you disagree, I'm fine with that.

I disagree. That you believe that gun sellers would commit a felony act in removing serial numbers from firearms is far fetched as opposed to simply doing a background check that would remove any liability from that gun sale.

Nobody that matters wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: No, you are advocating for two felony acts.

Currently, someone sells a gun without a background check, there's no liability, so there's no reason to remove the serial number. I think it's a severe case of tunnel vision if you can't see that opening up the seller to liability is going to increase the cases of removed serial numbers.

That's all.

I'm not advocating anything. I'm just giving my opinion about what the results of a proposed Executive order are going to be. If you disagree, I'm fine with that.

So are you saying most gun sellers are criminals?? If so then maybe we need to look at ending gun shows and private gun sales.

The Dude wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: No, you are advocating for two felony acts.

Currently, someone sells a gun without a background check, there's no liability, so there's no reason to remove the serial number. I think it's a severe case of tunnel vision if you can't see that opening up the seller to liability is going to increase the cases of removed serial numbers.

That's all.

I'm not advocating anything. I'm just giving my opinion about what the results of a proposed Executive order are going to be. If you disagree, I'm fine with that.

So are you saying most gun sellers are criminals?? If so then maybe we need to look at ending gun shows and private gun sales.

Talk about a stretch, where the hell did NTM say anything even close to "most gun sellers are criminals"? Kind of hard to have a discussion when a drive by comes in a throws a bunch of crap in the air. :bash

More well meaning legislation that doesn't bother to think of the unintended consequences.

Grady wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: No, you are advocating for two felony acts.

Currently, someone sells a gun without a background check, there's no liability, so there's no reason to remove the serial number. I think it's a severe case of tunnel vision if you can't see that opening up the seller to liability is going to increase the cases of removed serial numbers.
That's all.

I'm not advocating anything. I'm just giving my opinion about what the results of a proposed Executive order are going to be. If you disagree, I'm fine with that.

So are you saying most gun sellers are criminals?? If so then maybe we need to look at ending gun shows and private gun sales.

Talk about a stretch, where the hell did NTM say anything even close to "most gun sellers are criminals"? Kind of hard to have a discussion when a drive by comes in a throws a bunch of crap in the air. :bash

So apparently Grady can not read or has a problem with reading comprehension...

The Dude wrote:

Grady wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: No, you are advocating for two felony acts.

Currently, someone sells a gun without a background check, there's no liability, so there's no reason to remove the serial number. I think it's a severe case of tunnel vision if you can't see that opening up the seller to liability is going to increase the cases of removed serial numbers.
That's all.

I'm not advocating anything. I'm just giving my opinion about what the results of a proposed Executive order are going to be. If you disagree, I'm fine with that.

So are you saying most gun sellers are criminals?? If so then maybe we need to look at ending gun shows and private gun sales.

Talk about a stretch, where the hell did NTM say anything even close to "most gun sellers are criminals"? Kind of hard to have a discussion when a drive by comes in a throws a bunch of crap in the air. :bash

So apparently Grady can not read or has a problem with reading comprehension...

No, it's definitely a problem with comprehension on your end. I never said "most", and I don't think it will be a problem of epidemic proportions.