Does this Surprise anyone?

Ok so take the word "most" away and what you are saying is GUN SELLERS ARE CRIMINALS.

The Dude wrote: So apparently Grady can not read or has a problem with reading comprehension...

Now that really helps further the discussion. But I guess that is to be expected.

The Dude wrote: Ok so take the word "most" away and what you are saying is GUN SELLERS ARE CRIMINALS.

Quit being an idiot.

Would it not be a crime to remove the serial number from a gun so it is not traced back to the seller??

You guys are daft at best.

Fred, Grady and Nobody have argued that if strict liability is imposed on gun sellers who do not use a background check, then those gun sellers will circumvent the law by selling firearms with the serial numbers removed. Even though that is a felony offense and would result in the inability of those gun sellers and buyers from ever legally owning a firearm again. Is that not a fair statement based on the review of the prior posts?

Something the Dog Said wrote: Fred, Grady and Nobody have argued that if strict liability is imposed on gun sellers who do not use a background check, then those gun sellers will circumvent the law by selling firearms with the serial numbers removed. Even though that is a felony offense and would result in the inability of those gun sellers and buyers from ever legally owning a firearm again. Is that not a fair statement based on the review of the prior posts?

That is exactly what I am saying, Thank you. It is also my opinion that the numbers of such illegal acts of removing serial numbers will still be relatively small, but will represent an increase over the number of such crimes taking place now.

Just like if you make everything a felony from having a selfloading rifle to owning a 10 round magazine, you make owning fully automatic weapons and sawed off shotguns look not so bad.

The only thing I argued, was against The Dude's interpretation of NTM’s statement. I for one would not sell a firearm to anybody that I did not know on a close personal basis, unless they were to provide me a copy of their CCW permit that I could keep for my records. If the law was changed to require a background check, I would not sell any firearm without passing the sale through a licensed dealer.

FredHayek wrote: Just like if you make everything a felony from having a selfloading rifle to owning a 10 round magazine, you make owning fully automatic weapons and sawed off shotguns look not so bad.

I still don't see the problem with sawed off shotguns. One of those would be my first choice for home defense.

Grady wrote: The only thing I argued, was against The Dude's interpretation of NTM’s statement. I for one would not sell a firearm to anybody that I did not know on a close personal basis, unless they were to provide me a copy of their CCW permit that I could keep for my records. If the law was changed to require a background check, I would not sell any firearm without passing the sale through a licensed dealer.

I agree. My dad has about 30 guns in his collection because hes always afraid to sell one to a person who wishes to use it illegally. Everyone in our town knows he has lots of guns and makes him offers all the time but he still wont sell. My mom has been pissed for years because he is a gun hoarder and she wants other stuff haha.