Raees wrote: More information coming out about how the family slaughter took place. It could have been much, much worse:
The suspect in custody is the couple’s 15-year-old son, Nehemiah Griego, who authorities believe shot and killed his mother, young brother and two young sisters about 1 a.m. Saturday, and then lay in wait for five hours before ambushing his father when he came home.
The Journal also has learned that authorities believe Nehemiah then put several loaded weapons, including the assault rifle, in the family van with the plan to drive to the nearest Walmart, gun down more people and eventually die in a shootout with police.
But Nehemiah called a friend first, who talked him into meeting at Calvary church, where Nehemiah’s father had been a pastor. It was apparently a Calvary church security officer who contacted 911 about the slayings at the Griego home late Saturday.
It's a good thing they apprehended this monster before that "gun that doesn't kill people" was used to kill a bunch of innocent people at the Wal-Mart.
Raees wrote: That's not true of children who are abused from the day they are born. The abuse is constant. Unfortunately, in many cases the abuse stops when they die.
Yes, child abuse is ugly. Bringing unwanted children into the world just keeps the cycle going.
But it's a mistaken assumption that only unwanted children are abused, or that all unwanted children are abused. I'd bet $1000 that increasing abortion rates would not decrease abuse rates, because the more positive correlation is that parents who have been abused are more likely to abuse their children in turn and very often those are people who want kids, but don't know better how to be good parents - they learned from example, and they have a lot of unresolved anger/grief/frustration/etc that they take out on their kids because they now have the power that they didn't have before and need to feel in control.
It was good thinking on the friend's part to talk him into meeting somewhere else not filled with people. Why all the time in between is very puzzling. This case is a good example of why there needs to be increased awareness for, and availability of, mental health services. Maybe there was abuse, maybe not, but I'd bet there were warning signs that this kid needed help and someone noticed.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
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Could we get back to the 2 adults, 3 children dead? If someone wants to start a child abuse thread, knock yourself out.
Reading more about this (the probable cause affidavit is now online), the son told police he shot his mother in the head, and then his brother and his sisters. He said he waited in ambush for his dad to come home and shot him. The person who met him at the church was his girlfriend. He had sent her a picture of his mother's head. Photos show him dressed in combat fatigues.
He was very disturbed, from what he told investigators. The weapons were in his parent's bedroom closet. I guess his dad kept them for protection.
Raees wrote: That's not true of children who are abused from the day they are born. The abuse is constant. Unfortunately, in many cases the abuse stops when they die.
Yes, child abuse is ugly. Bringing unwanted children into the world just keeps the cycle going.
But it's a mistaken assumption that only unwanted children are abused, or that all unwanted children are abused. I'd bet $1000 that increasing abortion rates would not decrease abuse rates, because the more positive correlation is that parents who have been abused are more likely to abuse their children in turn and very often those are people who want kids, but don't know better how to be good parents - they learned from example, and they have a lot of unresolved anger/grief/frustration/etc that they take out on their kids because they now have the power that they didn't have before and need to feel in control.
It was good thinking on the friend's part to talk him into meeting somewhere else not filled with people. Why all the time in between is very puzzling. This case is a good example of why there needs to be increased awareness for, and availability of, mental health services. Maybe there was abuse, maybe not, but I'd bet there were warning signs that this kid needed help and someone noticed.
Raees wrote: That's not true of children who are abused from the day they are born. The abuse is constant. Unfortunately, in many cases the abuse stops when they die.
Yes, child abuse is ugly. Bringing unwanted children into the world just keeps the cycle going.
But it's a mistaken assumption that only unwanted children are abused, or that all unwanted children are abused. I'd bet $1000 that increasing abortion rates would not decrease abuse rates, because the more positive correlation is that parents who have been abused are more likely to abuse their children in turn and very often those are people who want kids, but don't know better how to be good parents - they learned from example, and they have a lot of unresolved anger/grief/frustration/etc that they take out on their kids because they now have the power that they didn't have before and need to feel in control.
It was good thinking on the friend's part to talk him into meeting somewhere else not filled with people. Why all the time in between is very puzzling. This case is a good example of why there needs to be increased awareness for, and availability of, mental health services. Maybe there was abuse, maybe not, but I'd bet there were warning signs that this kid needed help and someone noticed.
