Magazine Bill Amended

Despite huge turnout from 2nd Amendment supporters, the bill restricting magazines to 10 rounds advanced in the legislature after it was amended to 15 rounds. This bill would make it illegal to possess, sell, or manufacture magazines over 15 rounds without a grandfather law so hundreds of thousands of Coloradoans could find themselves lawbreakers overnight.

Also coming out of committee was a bill to require a background check on all gun transfers or sales. So if a father was to give his daughter a shotgun on her 18th birthday, she would have to pass a background check.

Send me all your illegal mags folks, and I'll dispose of them properly for you.

if a limit of 15 rounds makes the red tie cult feel better about the world, I suppose I can live with it - although I'd rather not pay for enforcement (it's an arbitrary figure - and the primary purpose of that figure is to allow politicians to feel like they've accomplished something)

In terms of requiring background checks --- it's mostly enforceable after-the-fact.
(how did you get that gun --- I see you did not go through a background check ).
It won't really prevent "illegal" (i.e. - for unlawful purposes) transfers. After all -
criminals are criminals.

FredHayek wrote: Despite huge turnout from 2nd Amendment supporters, the bill restricting magazines to 10 rounds advanced in the legislature after it was amended to 15 rounds. This bill would make it illegal to possess, sell, or manufacture magazines over 15 rounds without a grandfather law so hundreds of thousands of Coloradoans could find themselves lawbreakers overnight.

Also coming out of committee was a bill to require a background check on all gun transfers or sales. So if a father was to give his daughter a shotgun on her 18th birthday, she would have to pass a background check.

No she would not. Under the proposed legislation, gifts of firearms between family members are not subject to background checks.

But hey, it makes a much better outrage if you just make it up.

I just figured out that we're discussing Colorado's gun bill.

Doesn't really change my opinion ---- if the politicos in Denver want to feel good about themselves,
I suppose this is the worst they can do.

It won't accomplish much, and I'd be surprised if anyone didn't know that.

Let's be candid -

The figure 15 - being the product of political compromise - is an arbitrary figure.
The ambition - removing high capacity magazines from the state of Colorado, is naive at best.

Before you get your panties in a further twist, and since the conservatives here tend to make up their facts without bothering to research them, here is some public service information.
The requirement for background checks will apply to all transfers of firearms with several exceptions.

the legislation provides exceptions for:
1) gifts between immediate family members;
2) antiques and curios;
3) inheritances;
4) temporary transfers (you will be able to loan your firearm to someone for hunting, target shooting, etc.)
5) temporary transfers at designated shooting ranges (you will be able to rent or borrow)
6) designated shooting competitions;
7) if the transferee reasonably believes they are in danger of imminent harm or death.
Background checks by private individuals can be performed on their behalf by licensed gun dealers who may charge no more than $10.00 for that service. The licensed gun dealer must record that transfer and maintain the records and give a copy to the individual who is transferring the firearm.

Penalty:
If you violate this law (assuming it is enacted), by not getting a background check or by knowingly providing false information, then you are liable for a misdemeanor class 1 (which prohibits you from owning any firearm for a period of two years) and for any civil damages that may be a result of the subsequent use of the firearm.

I don't object to the legislation ---

The measures are more symbolic than substantive.

However, I do object to the naive belief that somehow, this is going to make a hill of beans worth of difference.

The point of this legislation is to make the politicians and anti-gun activists feel like they've accomplished something.

It's not going to reduce gun violence in Colorado.

Background check is fine, IMHO, as it could be used to help with tying the mental health portion of a REAL fix to this problem.

The limit on the magazine size is stupid, worthless, won't fix anything, and is the result of pandering to people that are living in fear for no good reason.

Something the Dog Said wrote: Before you get your panties in a further twist, and since the conservatives here tend to make up their facts without bothering to research them, here is some public service information.
The requirement for background checks will apply to all transfers of firearms with several exceptions.

the legislation provides exceptions for:
1) gifts between immediate family members;
2) antiques and curios;
3) inheritances;
4) temporary transfers (you will be able to loan your firearm to someone for hunting, target shooting, etc.)
5) temporary transfers at designated shooting ranges (you will be able to rent or borrow)
6) designated shooting competitions;
7) if the transferee reasonably believes they are in danger of imminent harm or death.
Background checks by private individuals can be performed on their behalf by licensed gun dealers who may charge no more than $10.00 for that service. The licensed gun dealer must record that transfer and maintain the records and give a copy to the individual who is transferring the firearm.

Penalty:
If you violate this law (assuming it is enacted), by not getting a background check or by knowingly providing false information, then you are liable for a misdemeanor class 1 (which prohibits you from owning any firearm for a period of two years) and for any civil damages that may be a result of the subsequent use of the firearm.

I'll take your word for it.

Mary Scott wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Before you get your panties in a further twist, and since the conservatives here tend to make up their facts without bothering to research them, here is some public service information.
The requirement for background checks will apply to all transfers of firearms with several exceptions.

the legislation provides exceptions for:
1) gifts between immediate family members;
2) antiques and curios;
3) inheritances;
4) temporary transfers (you will be able to loan your firearm to someone for hunting, target shooting, etc.)
5) temporary transfers at designated shooting ranges (you will be able to rent or borrow)
6) designated shooting competitions;
7) if the transferee reasonably believes they are in danger of imminent harm or death.
Background checks by private individuals can be performed on their behalf by licensed gun dealers who may charge no more than $10.00 for that service. The licensed gun dealer must record that transfer and maintain the records and give a copy to the individual who is transferring the firearm.

Penalty:
If you violate this law (assuming it is enacted), by not getting a background check or by knowingly providing false information, then you are liable for a misdemeanor class 1 (which prohibits you from owning any firearm for a period of two years) and for any civil damages that may be a result of the subsequent use of the firearm.

I'll take your word for it.

It is not my word, it is Colorado House Bill 1229.