Magazine Bill Amended

BB,
I would actually disagree with you, sure, some firearms do change hands, but I think 50% or more stay with the original owners. Most traces through FFL's would find the gun holder.

bailey bud wrote: As I understand things

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Every FFL is required to keep a journal (log book).
(I think there's some FFLs on the forum - maybe they can help clarify).

The logs are based on the firearm serial number.

So - let's say a pistol is used in the commission of a crime.

The feds start with the gun maker - which given the serial number, identifies the wholesaler to which the firearm was transferred to --- which identifies the dealer the firearm was transferred to --- which is required to keep a log book, showing who purchased the firearm.

The log book is a physical record, not an electronic record.

On older firearms, it's not unusual for the trail to go cold (they get transferred so many times, that nobody knows where it is - even though there's a physical record, somewhere).

Since there's no actual database, there's no way that someone can figure out who has firearms, and who doesn't. The database is build around the history of each individual firearm --- and it's largely a set of physical records.

The only way to document a firearm's history is through "trace requests." And... it can take a lot of steps to trace a firearm's ownership/possession history.

Exactly
So it is very easy to see in the next round those who don't want firearms in the hands of citizens, and those who want to know who has what firearms, begin clamoring for a more efficient, better controlled system of tracking firearms. Just think of the benefits, faster access, better record keeping, no more lost records. LEOs will be able to know with a few keystrokes who last legally owned a firearm, or after pulling you over knowing whether you may or may not own any firearm. "Your right to keep private in your papers and affairs? Ha that right is just a leftover from another time." If it saves just one life isn't it worth it?

Yet another straw man scare tactic. Nowhere is there any legislation that would convert FFL records into an integrated government data base to track the firearms owned by every individual. The record keeping requirement by FFL has been in place for decades. Why not focus on the legislation currently proposed rather than crying wolf on something that has not been proposed and will in all likelihood never be proposed.

blah blah blah.......Not even worth reading anymore.
time is better spent contacting legislators.

Yes, don't worry about the Feds documenting all of our firearms. The ATF can't even keep their own inventory straight and let Mexican druglords buy weapons.

Obama's idea of gun control, restrict responsible Americans from owning them, but let bad guys in Mexico buy the restricted ones and give the army of Egypt free tanks to keep down the secularists.

FH....having seen the clerks up close, when a new law requiring more clerks....like universal gun registration, the mid-level clerks find justification to grow their empires.....and can and will get more oy your $$$$ tax dollars to impose additional restraints on our liberties.....and a number of IT contractors will be contracted to build management sytems ans server farms.....all are salivating. ADD to that additional justification for judical expansion (judges, courts, police, jails)......we the people are fools.

Appropriate IMHO at this interesting time in our nation's present is a reread of Chomsky's "Necessary Illusions - Thought Control In Democratic Societies".......IT/TV are exceptionally effective.........post 911 sets the foundation.....no conspiracy....none needed.



The below will become law if the Governor signs in GA......very soon as reported in SLATE. A start to cut the funds for imposed FED mandates and chill the manipulation of media. Probably has not a chance because the SHEEP are ready to be further trimmed.


WHEREAS, the original purpose of the United States Senate was to protect the sovereignty of the states from the federal government and to give each individual state government representation in the federal legislative branch of government; and


WHEREAS, the Seventeenth Amendment has resulted in a large federal government with power and control that cannot be checked by the states; and...


WHEREAS, since the ratification of the Seventeenth Amendment in 1913, the size and scope of the federal government has grown exponentially and severely weakened the powers held by the individual states and the people as acknowledged by the Tenth Amendment to theUnited States Constitution; and



WHEREAS, the United States Senate was designed to protect the rights and interests of the individual states, and the repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment would help to prevent the many unfunded mandates and unconstitutional laws passed onto those states by the federal government.

Something the Dog Said wrote: Yet another straw man scare tactic. Nowhere is there any legislation that would convert FFL records into an integrated government data base to track the firearms owned by every individual. The record keeping requirement by FFL has been in place for decades. Why not focus on the legislation currently proposed rather than crying wolf on something that has not been proposed and will in all likelihood never be proposed.

You know, but don't want to admit (since it would neuter your argument) the fact that once this bill is passed, the mass amount of time which will be utilized (taxpayer money) to trace down guns will necessitate a registry. I'm willing to bet you one will be in place (if democrats remain in power) that one will be in place within 5 yrs.

deltamrey wrote: FH....having seen the clerks up close, when a new law requiring more clerks....like universal gun registration, the mid-level clerks find justification to grow their empires.....and can and will get more oy your $$$$ tax dollars to impose additional restraints on our liberties.....and a number of IT contractors will be contracted to build management sytems ans server farms.....all are salivating. ADD to that additional justification for judical expansion (judges, courts, police, jails)......we the people are fools.

Isn't governent expansion fun?

RenegadeCJ wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Yet another straw man scare tactic. Nowhere is there any legislation that would convert FFL records into an integrated government data base to track the firearms owned by every individual. The record keeping requirement by FFL has been in place for decades. Why not focus on the legislation currently proposed rather than crying wolf on something that has not been proposed and will in all likelihood never be proposed.

You know, but don't want to admit (since it would neuter your argument) the fact that once this bill is passed, the mass amount of time which will be utilized (taxpayer money) to trace down guns will necessitate a registry. I'm willing to bet you one will be in place (if democrats remain in power) that one will be in place within 5 yrs.

This will be just lik Obamacare... start out saying it's no big deal and none of your freedoms or choices will be taken away, then bankrupt insurance companies to force the desired single payer system. Once the government gets a foot in the door, it's too late to close it.