I find that most of the people railing against the bill and calling it unconstitutional are Republicans. I also find that the most pro-corporate Surpreme Court in decades (e.g., the Roberts court) was constructed by Republicans.
Do you really think the Roberts court is going to deny private health insurance corporations a free lunch at the taxpayers expense?!? Hell no, that's laughable.
There is no way the Roberts court strikes this law down as Unconstitutional if for no other reason than it's pro-corporate.
Have fun reaping what you've sown Republicans...
Got a good laugh out of that one - I was just waiting for some socialist out there to blame the health care bill on republicans. Better go check out who voted for it again!
That's like saying it was the fault of chololate and ice cream that made Oprah fat! Good try though.
Don't worry - if you forgot who voted for this disaster of a bill - just wait till November - the country will be giving all of us a reminder of who voted fot it.
The issue of the tax credit being used against us is the prefect example of how the government collects our money and then uses it against us to extract it's will from the states and from the people. We need for all Americans to realize that it is done this way - and form opposition to any "tax break" or "tax incentive". This is why all of these should be eliminated.
After every tax break has been eliminated - then taxes should be lowered accordingly. The Federal government will fight to keep them - as it is their base of power. By eliminating this game - we take the power back to the people. Both liberals and conservatives should be able to agree that puting power back in the hands of the citizens is a good thing.
I think there will be more than just republicans voting against the health care bill - some liberals actually have jobs. When they see how much of their money is being robbed from them - they will be just as upset as the republicans.
Lets face it - most all of the working class Americans will be against it. Only the lazy - good for nothing losers have anything to gain here. People on the welfare system will like it. People without any career skills may like it. Socialist looters will like it.
And who knows - there might be more of them than there are hard working Americans anymore.
And ya never know - after my health care is free, I may choose to quit my job and become an "artist"!
I always wanted to make my living playing the kazoo on the pearl street mall. Move over hippies - here I come!
Something the Dog Said wrote: Actually from almost the very beginning of this country, Congress required it's citizens to purchase certain items. The 2nd Congress in the Military Conscription Act of 1792 required "That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.
So clearly the original founding fathers did intend that Congress have the power to order citizens to purchase items.
Further, the health care reform legislation does not require anyone to purchase insurance. If you are willing to forego the tax credit, then you can choose not to purchase insurance. You will be paying a higher tax though. Essentially, the legislation imposes a tax on everyone, and you receive an offsetting tax credit if you choose to purchase qualifying insurance or have it provided to you. You are not forced to purchase insurance however, nor will the government kill granny.
Actually, the states ceded the responsibility, in the Constitution, for the defense of the states, individually and collectively, to the federal government. If you are able to show me where in that document they also ceded the responsibility for individual health care to the federal government your point might, just might, have some degree of merit.
....Socialist looters will like it.
And who knows - there might be more of them than there are hard working Americans anymore.
And ya never know - after my health care is free, I may choose to quit my job and become an "artist"!
I always wanted to make my living playing the kazoo on the pearl street mall. Move over hippies - here I come!
Bear-
I was thinking the same thing. In fact I am already doing it, minus the freebies. I'm tired of working. I might just get a part time job, or work part-year for about $25K, no taxes, and take the free Obama care, and whatever other gov't freebies I can find. The hell with it. You win Libs. Where do I apply for my bennies? (And yep, I can live on $2k a month easy). F*ck Working. I'll be a socialist looter. I like the sound of it.
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Republicans are red, democrats are blue, neither of them, gives a flip about you.
Something the Dog Said wrote: Actually from almost the very beginning of this country, Congress required it's citizens to purchase certain items. The 2nd Congress in the Military Conscription Act of 1792 required "That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.
So clearly the original founding fathers did intend that Congress have the power to order citizens to purchase items.
Further, the health care reform legislation does not require anyone to purchase insurance. If you are willing to forego the tax credit, then you can choose not to purchase insurance. You will be paying a higher tax though. Essentially, the legislation imposes a tax on everyone, and you receive an offsetting tax credit if you choose to purchase qualifying insurance or have it provided to you. You are not forced to purchase insurance however, nor will the government kill granny.
Actually, the states ceded the responsibility, in the Constitution, for the defense of the states, individually and collectively, to the federal government. If you are able to show me where in that document they also ceded the responsibility for individual health care to the federal government your point might, just might, have some degree of merit.
You mean just as the states ceded the responsibility in the Constitution, for setting the immigration policy of the states, individually and collectively, to the federal government? Your statement is a non sequitur, since the preemption of the defense of the state by the federal government would require that the federal government be responsible for providing the armament of the militia, not to put that burden onto an individual mandate to provide the armament. The allegation was that the Constitution forbade any mandate to require an individual provide anything, and clearly the founding fathers did not intend any such prohibition nor any did they provide any such prohibition.
Something the Dog Said (aka mtspike)
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Something the Dog Barfed up wrote: Further, the health care reform legislation does not require anyone to purchase insurance. If you are willing to forego the tax credit, then you can choose not to purchase insurance. You will be paying a higher tax though. Essentially, the legislation imposes a tax on everyone, and you receive an offsetting tax credit if you choose to purchase qualifying insurance or have it provided to you. You are not forced to purchase insurance however, nor will the government kill granny.
Nice Spin, is that you Nancy Pelosi? How do you get from Tax Penalty to Tax Credit. The Spin cycle here is going full tilt.
If you want to be, press one. If you want not to be, press 2
Republicans are red, democrats are blue, neither of them, gives a flip about you.
The Viking wrote: I know, it is sad that the Federal government uses our tax dollars to pay for filing suit against it's own citizens. I think that if they want to sue Americans to stop what they really desire then the government needs to pay for it out of their own pocket with no tax money. Maybe that would slow them down from subversing the will of the people. It should be a sort of tort reform against the Federal government so they never use our tax dollars against us again.
...HOW exactly can 'the government' pay for anything 'out of their own pocket with no tax money'??? The only money they have to spend comes from taxes......
Whatevergreen wrote: I find that most of the people railing against the bill and calling it unconstitutional are Republicans. I also find that the most pro-corporate Surpreme Court in decades (e.g., the Roberts court) was constructed by Republicans.
Do you really think the Roberts court is going to deny private health insurance corporations a free lunch at the taxpayers expense?!? Hell no, that's laughable.
There is no way the Roberts court strikes this law down as Unconstitutional if for no other reason than it's pro-corporate.
Have fun reaping what you've sown Republicans...
This is because the Democrats are the "have-nots".
Something the Dog Barfed up wrote: Further, the health care reform legislation does not require anyone to purchase insurance. If you are willing to forego the tax credit, then you can choose not to purchase insurance. You will be paying a higher tax though. Essentially, the legislation imposes a tax on everyone, and you receive an offsetting tax credit if you choose to purchase qualifying insurance or have it provided to you. You are not forced to purchase insurance however, nor will the government kill granny.
Nice Spin, is that you Nancy Pelosi? How do you get from Tax Penalty to Tax Credit. The Spin cycle here is going full tilt.
I can't believe that they buy into this crap and actually believe what they are saying. It is sad to see how our government has brainwashed so many of our citizens.
The Viking wrote: I know, it is sad that the Federal government uses our tax dollars to pay for filing suit against it's own citizens. I think that if they want to sue Americans to stop what they really desire then the government needs to pay for it out of their own pocket with no tax money. Maybe that would slow them down from subversing the will of the people. It should be a sort of tort reform against the Federal government so they never use our tax dollars against us again.
...HOW exactly can 'the government' pay for anything 'out of their own pocket with no tax money'??? The only money they have to spend comes from taxes......
Remember how it feels to have money in your pocket, that to is going to the Smithsonian Institute.
