Jail vs. New Communication Building

Howdy, PosterYoYo! I understand your basic premise, but we should perhaps consider two things: 1. If the Search and Rescue building isn't the scene of frequent activity, that is a good thing, and 2. I believe the S & R maintains their equipment, stored within, in a state of momentary readiness. Medical, Technical, Mechanical, ATV's, whatever, and they probably don't need unrelated-to-S&R groups or individuals in and around the stuff they use to rescue anyone, anytime. Apart from S & R, the Citizens have a definite right to request, through the appropriate elected/appointed/hired representative, the most complete utilization of tax payer-funded buildings and property wherever possible.

Talking about the new Telecommunications Bunker.

Check out FLUME page 1 of 8-6-10. Which walnut is you your
tax money under?. Based on past successes of
BOCC rofllol rofllol rofllol rofllol rofllol rofllol rofllol rofllol .
I would say closer to $5 mil.

To compare(?). Take a Bailey home selling in the
$225G to $240G range w/ about 2000sf useable sq ft.
Couldn't a house like that(heated w/ CAC) 3 car garage.
do the job. $2-3-5mil???-what is going to be built
??another Taj Mahal to honor themselves(BOCC). Maybe
plaques out front with their names is whats driving up the costs. :chillpill: Why so much. Or is the extra
money for 12 month payments to hire whole bunch of
new people(investigators?) Casinos do that-must have certain
funds in trust to pay employees in advance plus. That
would make the PK county :Koolaid: commissioners smart :crossed: :woo hoo:

What I would like to see is a "bid" for placing it in the Jail, and I would like to see the only "one" other bid that Tighe got. Why don't they show that one to us? And why not get a bid for placing it inside instead of just keep telling us, "it won't work". Tighe is so STUCK on the one bid, the one price, and doesn't ask OUR opinion, and no matter what, HE IS going to break ground in October. I agree with "Tilt", I can't imagine the "castle" that we're getting for that price? A little overboard overkill for a department that use to fit in the size of a modular home. It was crowded and hot, but they could have knocked out another wall, and it would have been fine. Last I remember seeing, their were only 4-911/dispatch computers. Did we suddenly access another 20 computers for our "busy, busy, county"????? Kinda like the USELESS Humvees, we totally cannot justify having those!!

Commissioner Tighe won't allow public inspection or comment on the single bid received for this particularly expensive Communications Building? From only one source? With no competitive bids, no comparison? With a 'hurry-up' date to begin construction in October, 2010? Absolutely not. That won't 'fly', Tighe.

Hummm. Tighe gets money from ParkCo for his commissioer salary, does he get money from ParkCo for his questionable deputy status? Is he moonlighting with the one construction company to submit a bid for his personal Taj Mahal?

What is the reason he's hell-bent-for-election to build the monument to his ego and why is he unwilling to get a bid to retrofit the jail?

Not a one of them is going to endorse using the jail, because then they would have to admit they were wrong about it's profit-making potential and that it would better serve our pocketbook to use it for something else. Not going to happen.
I say, if you can't afford it right now, wheel that modular inside the jail sallyport gates and park it back with the evidence trailer. Supposedly a secure area - problem (temporarily) solved!
Then wait until it's within your budget to do an upgrade.

Good idea -- which is why they'll never consider it. lol

Of course! :gleeful:

shilohloki wrote: Not a one of them is going to endorse using the jail, because then they would have to admit they were wrong about it's profit-making potential and that it would better serve our pocketbook to use it for something else. Not going to happen.
I say, if you can't afford it right now, wheel that modular inside the jail sallyport gates and park it back with the evidence trailer. Supposedly a secure area - problem (temporarily) solved!
Then wait until it's within your budget to do an upgrade.

We don't agree on much of anything, but here with the stupid Comm Ctr I will stand by you and fight this with ya. This could go in the Jail building but some serious remodeling would need to be done to get it up and running in there. Cost wise it would still come in way under the current cost. What I envision they are really trying to build is what we called a Comm Sec Ctr. Not needed in Park County. Do we need a new Comm Ctr, I have seen the old one and would say yes. But there is ways to do this without the commissioners putting forth their personal agenda's and doing it the right way, and being upfront about it. Now this is just for info, some may wonder what my qualifications are for me to talk about this... My job in the Navy was Interior Communications Electrician. A shipmate and myself even designed a Battle Group Cellular system that intergrated with the shipboard phone system to allow satellite link up stateside depending on number dialed. Am I an expert, not even close, but I do have background in microwave comms, and the rest.

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[center:f3cp224v]if we call ourselves fiscal conservatives are we hypocrites[/center:f3cp224v]

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The Jail

I appreciated the concept behind building the new county jail. Park County was improvements to conditions in the old jail was mandated and there was merit to the housing contract prisoners, as private prisons had been doing to defray prison costs and perhaps make a profit.

As all good concepts go when it comes to implementation the devil is in the details. There was insufficient risk analysis and projects into the future did not go far enough.

First, with private prisons economic failure was not as much on the taxpayers’ shoulders. Park County was gambling with our taxes.

Second, there was a risk of economic downturn which would diminish county tax revenue if it came about. The handwriting was on the wall!

I had found many sources about business cycles, booms and recessions and found that Wikipedia had done a good job of putting it all together.

Read the article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re ... ted_States

I am not sure if economists have an equation to predict economic downturns but looking back to project forward shows that since 1970 the economy has cycled into recession approximately ever 10 years, for whatever reason. The present recession came a bit earlier and is both deeper and longer than the previous few. Without going into reason why, economists out of favor with the party in power were forecasting it by the middle of the last decade. Even without those forecasts a large capital expenditure was a bet against the odds,

Third , the trend in the rate of total incarceration growth began to decrease during the late 90s. Again Wikipedia has a graph.



demonstrating that the rate at which populations of prisoner growth began to decrease during the 90s. The rate decreased even more just before the present century began. Along with that population trend, each year the proportion of convicts sentenced to probation has increase along with earlier parole. Another fact that needed to be factored in is the fact that the prison populations are aging at an increasing rate because of the baby boom. The death and serious illness rate within prison populations have only begun to tick upward.
How many dollars per capita have we spent?

The Trend in Rural Law Enforcement Spending

I have not reviewed all rural county law enforcement budgets but appears that about 50% of United States sheriffs’ departments have decreased budgeted vehicle replacement spending and increased spending for vehicle maintenance and repair. Have you noticed the newly purchase vehicles? They have been brought to us by the same mindset that brought us our new county jail. The vehicles have already been purchased or ordered. I believe the fact that that spending mindset has not changed would be a greater concern for Park County taxpayers.
How many dollars per capita are we spending?

Communication Center - The Trend in Local Government Capital Expenditures

A similar review of local government expenditures for construction of new facilities and the build out of old ones have been postponed, and bond issues have almost declined to zero. When more space is needed is being consolidated within existing facilities, and distribute amongst them. Space is leased rather than built and the planned size for new space has been reduced. If the planned communication center is postponed when the county has the funds to build it the space, power and cooling requirements for communication and computer equip will have decreased.

I believe that we need to examine what our share of the cost will be if the applied for grant is awarded to us. If it is not, it’s unreasonable to go ahead with construction right now.
How many dollars per capita will we be spending?

Hey, this is the Republican Party, why are we supporting spend spend spend with funds we don’t have. If we are looking for areas to cut spending in they are going to be difficult to find. Look ma, we are liberal Democrats.