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LadyJazzer wrote:
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LadyJazzer wrote:
What you think should or should not be covered has already been decided by decades of settled law.
As you know, decades of laws can change. People can now have affairs without going to jail, Lesbians could not get married until very recently and men in NH can skimp on the firewood one winter and it is not ground for divorce. Should we just go back to the way things were on this stuff just because they were in place for decades. For decades we had no federal income tax, one year that changed. We are allowed to change things and we are allowed to work towards more equality.
We chose to punish straight and gay people that want to marry and the public around them "equally". I still propose that the govt does not recognize marriages and only recognize people. These people can then form legal agreements to address shared custody such as cars, homes and children. Divorced people make all kinds of legal agreements on custody and separation. This is also often forced on them by the courts.
Things change and you are a great force in changing things and you know that...so don't argue against change, that just is odd.
I think that the law should not change your rights if you get married, I have said that a number of times.
There are two kinds of rights, there are liberties and there are entitlements. Liberties occur without effecting others and should be preserved, entitlements cost others when you get your rights and thus should always be compared to the liberty we are sacrificing to get the entitlement and then we should to a cost benefit analysis as public policy, if we can even justify entitlements in the long run (due to their cost, by definition).
If I get married and now other citizens have to pay more or less on taxes (which they do because my tax rates change when I get married) or if I get married and now my employers expense structure will change or he or she has to fill out one more form, that is not a liberty, it is an entitlement. In order to exercise these rights, you are making demands of people outside of your relationship and using the law to make them do so.
So very specifically, when your marriage rights are entitlements, we do not have equality or equal protection under the law. You are making a personal decision that has all kinds of consequences on others outside of the relationship. One should be able to marry without worrying about the burden on others, friends, citizens or employers.
I am simply suggesting that our rights be secured as individuals and that our rights do not change when we form relationships. That is the first step towards royalty. We are supposed to have equal rights and protections under the law and when you can associate with certain people and get more or less rights, this should not be acceptable or turned around into something it is not.
I am also against people that work for companies that don't have SIMPLE IRA plans paying lower taxes than those that work for companies that don't. I am simply seeking that all individuals will have the same rights and same burdens. I don't want people's marriages or employer private benefits to change the taxes or rights that these individuals have vs. me.
I guess the cool thing about all this is that change is part of the game. The battle of getting people to pretend they don't hate you because of how you behave using laws cannot be won. In the end, many will hate you even more and it could lead to the loss of rights of being how you are. Look at what happens to anyone that wants more liberty these days, gay or not.
What you are "suggesting" has no relevance... What has happened is now the same rules, rights, statutes, tax-rules, estate-rules, property-rules, insurance-rules, etc., that are granted to traditional married couples are now granted to same-sex couples. What has "changed" is that the federal government can no longer come in and treat one married couple differently than another in states where it is legal. What you think "it should be" matters not.
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