ignore bad behavior by black students sez Obama

Walter L Newton wrote: Oh my god... he called BB a "racist." That's one of those dog whistles that are suppose to shut down the conversation. Looks like it didn't work. I have an idea Dog... try "wife beater," "War on Woman," "global warming denier" or... let me think... ah... "1%'ters."

That's the ticket.

So, making up lies, once again. I did not call Bob a racist. I did state that the article that Bob cited with approval was racist. I do not know Bob well enough to know whether or not he believes that all taxpayers are white, that blacks are bad for white society or the other memes set forth in the article to which he linked. He has not refuted the article so the imputation is that he does not disagree with the article, but I will leave that to him to make clear.

I have made no attempt to "shut down" the conversation but instead have challenged the posters here as to whether or not the agree with the article to which Bob linked.

I will state once again, that article is one of the most disgusting racist piles of crap that have I had the displeasure to read, and call Bob out for linking to it with approval.

So Walter, do you agree with the premise of the article, that the Executive Order was an attempt by the President to transfer wealth from white taxpayers to blacks? Particularly when the black students do not receive the "massive wealth from the white taxpayers", which goes to the school districts.

Lets have a discussion about the original post as Bob intended. C'mon, where do you stand on this topic? Or are you afraid to go on the record. I have made my stance clear, what is yours?

Is the Executive Order an attempt by the President to transfer massive amounts of wealth from white taxpayers to black students as the article cited by Bob contends? Or is it an attempt to improve the educational opportunities for African American students who are disproportionately dropping out? Why are you afraid to discuss it? Bob thought it was important enough to bring it to our collective attention so let's discuss it.

Dog... "You have managed to set the record for the new forum in terms of racism" You = racism... clear as day.

Something the Dog Said wrote: Wow! Even for you Bob, this is really off the charts. You have managed to set the record for the new forum in terms of racism. The Executive Order that the article references does not "call on schools to reduce the number of disciplinary actions taken against blacks students."

It's hardly surprising that with Dog's first post in this new forum Dog is already playing the race card. As I've said before, nobody else come close to Dog in calling people liars or racists. This person called me a racist when I simply dared to disagree about Joe Biden's motive in his "chains" comments.

Hey Dog, a racist isn't just someone who has a different opinion than you do. Here is a real racist..



And if you want to know what a real immature, whiny, angry, mean liberal looks like you can simply look in the mirror.

And once again you can't even get your facts straight. Did you really read Obama's executive order? I actually have no opinion on it at this time, but it does call for reducing disciplinary actions against African Americans...

reducing the dropout rate of African American students and helping African American students graduate from high school prepared for college and a career, in part by promoting a positive school climate that does not rely on methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/26/executive-order-white-house-initiative-educational-excellence-african-am

Removing "disparate use of disciplinary tools" is reducing disciplinary actions. And I don't think anyone would disagree that disparate use of disciplinary tools is a bad thing. The only area of disagreement would probably be if you can trust the government to actually accomplish that and not screw things up.

Well, I guess we'll never be able to teach Dog any new tricks...

pineinthegrass wrote:
It's hardly surprising that with Dog's first post in this new forum Dog is already playing the race card. As I've said before, nobody else come close to Dog in calling people liars or racists. This person called me a racist when I simply dared to disagree about Joe Biden's motive in his "chains" comments.
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Actually if you spend any amount time in liberal land, dog is just part of the pack.

Many liberals have an an extra chromosome pair that allows them to look deep in the soul of everyone who disagrees with them and see racism.

PS do I have a dog whistle or do I have a dog whistle.

<It's hardly surprising that with Dog's first post in this new forum Dog is already playing the race card.>

Let me cast again.

So no poster here disagrees with the pile of racist crap to which Bob linked. I will stand by my actions in calling out racism where it is drug into this forum. That article is vile and racist. Does anyone disagree? Evidently you do. You can attack me for calling out racism where it is brought forth, I am proud to do so. To simply pretend that the vile racism sludge that Bob brought forth into this forum does not exist is to condone such racism.

I note that Bob, Walter, Rick and the other posters refuse to condemn the premise of Bob's post, that the Executive Order promoting educational opportunities for African American students is simply "an attempt by President Obama to transfer massive wealth from white taxpayers to blacks". I for one am on the record for condemning such vile untruths. Once again, where do you stand? Do you agree with Bob's article or do you condemn it? Or do you simply choose to deflect from going on the record and attack me for calling out racism? So far the record is clear. One against racism, at least three others refusing to condemn it.

That article is vile for so many reasons, not the least of which is it makes the statement that whites are the only taxpayers, that somehow the executive order is a "massive wealth transfer" from whites to blacks, that blacks are bad for white society, that blacks as a whole are murderers and criminals, and on and on. Yet Bob, Walter, Rick and others have no problem with it, but instead try to ridicule me for calling it out. I stand by my actions, do you stand by yours? Do you go on the record supporting such vile crap, or do you condemn it? Your silence as to the article implies that you are condoning that crap, that you believe that only whites pay taxes, that the President is attempting to "transfer massive wealth" from whites to blacks.

I have been accused by Walter and Bob of "playing the race card" when Bob's article is solely about the race card, pitting whites against blacks, creating stereotypes of blacks being nontaxpaying criminals while whites are portrayed as wealthy taxpayers having their wealth transferred to blacks. And you accuse me of playing the race card.

I will make a stand against racism everytime as those who refuse to condemn it allow it grow and prosper. This country stands for better than that.

Honestly Dog, I just read the part of the article Bob posted along with Bob's only statement:

So if this is right wing propaganda, what is the left wing spin. Or have I been punked?

Which part of Bob's comment was racist, and which part does he say he agrees with the quote? Sorry but I see three seperate parts of a comment that ask three quesstions:

Is this right wing propoganda?
What do left wingers think about this?
Have I been punked?

Seems pretty harmless to me.

As for the article's text he posted, I see some fact and some opinion. Bob never agreed with any of it... or did I miss something?

Dog, I almost feel like I should offer some sort of apology before posting this but I know I wouldn't mean it. Face it, you have no basis for calling BB's original post racist other than your own opinion and that's something I'd encourage you to repeat couched as being your opinion because it's not fact.

Rick wrote: Honestly Dog, I just read the part of the article Bob posted along with Bob's only statement:

So if this is right wing propaganda, what is the left wing spin. Or have I been punked?

Which part of Bob's comment was racist, and which part does he say he agrees with the quote? Sorry but I see three seperate parts of a comment that ask three quesstions:

Is this right wing propoganda?
What do left wingers think about this?
Have I been punked?

Seems pretty harmless to me.

As for the article's text he posted, I see some fact and some opinion. Bob never agreed with any of it... or did I miss something?

Rick, thanks for your comments. If you bother to read my comments, I did not call Bob a racist, nor did I call his comments racist. I did call the vile piece of crap to which he linked, and to which he requested discussion, racist. And it is. I have repeatedly asked Bob and other posters whether or not they agreed with the premise of that crap, if they condoned that piece of crap, or if they too condemn it. So far, no one has bothered to join the discussion, but instead attempt to smear me. I stand behind every comment that I have made in this thread. The article to which Bob linked is a vile piece of racist crap. Do you agree with that assessment, or do you agree with the premise of the article, that the President is attempting to "transfer massive amounts of wealth from white taxpayers to blacks, and the underlying assumptions in that statement? If Bob is so innocent in dragging this piece of racism into this forum, he should be willing to answer that question? He asked for left winger comments about it, and he got one from me. Now I am being condemned for finding that right wing propaganda piece (using Bob's words) to be a vile racist piece of crap. I am still waiting to see what the right wingers think of it, and have repeatedly asked for their views of it, but no one is willing to give it.

Still waiting. Do you agree with it, or do you find it racist?

C'mon Bob, it was your thread and your discussion. Walter you were quick to jump in to condemn me for my views, what is take on this "harmless" discussion? How about you Rick, you are thoughtful and insightful, what is your take on Bob's article? Anyone care to answer?

So this is how it's going to be here now?......lets play bait the liberals, then when they respond to our bait lets ridicule them for responding. Sorry.....that really does take the pleasure out of reading this board.

and yes, this statement is baiting

So if this is right wing propaganda, what is the left wing spin.

and these are ridicule

Many liberals have an an extra chromosome pair that allows them to look deep in the soul of everyone who disagrees with them and see racism.

You are such a tool. Newspeak much?

So you tell me bob....what was your purpose in starting this thread beyond baiting the liberals here?

otisptoadwater wrote: Dog, I almost feel like I should offer some sort of apology before posting this but I know I wouldn't mean it. Face it, you have no basis for calling BB's original post racist other than your own opinion and that's something I'd encourage you to repeat couched as being your opinion because it's not fact.

Toad, Bob requested my opinion on the piece of crap to which he linked, and I gave it. Despite his, yours, Walters and Ricks attempts to distort and deflect, I did not call Bob a racist, nor did I call his comments racist. That is just an attempt by posters to deflect from the discussion. Bob requested comments from a left winger, and I gave my opinion. I have repeatedly requested opinions from the other posters in regard to that article, and none have been forthcoming. My opinion is that the article is a vile piece of racist crap and Bob should be ashamed for dragging it into this forum. The article was not a thoughtful discussion of the Executive Order, nor was it truthful or based on facts. It was clearly a racist article pitting whites versus blacks, stereotyping whites as wealthy taxpayers and blacks as lowlife tax cheating criminals. Are those types of articles helpful to thoughtful discussions. Hell no.

So Toad, since the other right wingers here refuse to go on the record, how about you? Do you agree with the premise of the article, that the President through this Executive Order attempting to "transfer massive wealth from white taxpayers to blacks"? Or do you find that entire premise racist? Where do you stand? Do you have the courage to go on the record or simply deflect away? Bob desired comments, let's have them.