ignore bad behavior by black students sez Obama

You have given your opinion but you have not addressed a single point with anything but gross distortions.

pineinthegrass wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Wow! Even for you Bob, this is really off the charts. You have managed to set the record for the new forum in terms of racism. The Executive Order that the article references does not "call on schools to reduce the number of disciplinary actions taken against blacks students."

It's hardly surprising that with Dog's first post in this new forum Dog is already playing the race card. As I've said before, nobody else come close to Dog in calling people liars or racists. This person called me a racist when I simply dared to disagree about Joe Biden's motive in his "chains" comments.

Hey Dog, a racist isn't just someone who has a different opinion than you do. Here is a real racist..

And if you want to know what a real immature, whiny, angry, mean liberal looks like you can simply look in the mirror.

And once again you can't even get your facts straight. Did you really read Obama's executive order? I actually have no opinion on it at this time, but it does call for reducing disciplinary actions against African Americans...

reducing the dropout rate of African American students and helping African American students graduate from high school prepared for college and a career, in part by promoting a positive school climate that does not rely on methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/07/26/executive-order-white-house-initiative-educational-excellence-african-am

Removing "disparate use of disciplinary tools" is reducing disciplinary actions. And I don't think anyone would disagree that disparate use of disciplinary tools is a bad thing. The only area of disagreement would probably be if you can trust the government to actually accomplish that and not screw things up.

Well, I guess we'll never be able to teach Dog any new tricks...

So pine, do you agree with the premise of the article, that this executive order is an attempt by the President to "transfer massive amounts of wealth from white taxpayers to blacks"? Yes, I find that to be racist and will stand behind my comments. The premise of that article is certainly is a difference of opinion from mine, but that does not mean that it is not racist. So, tell us, do you agree with the author of the article to which Bob brought into this discussion, or do you find it racist? Do you believe that the President is attempting to "transfer massive amounts of wealth from white taxpayers to blacks" and to the underlying assumptions in that statement?

In regard to your comment

Removing "disparate use of disciplinary tools" is reducing disciplinary actions. And I don't think anyone would disagree that disparate use of disciplinary tools is a bad thing. The only area of disagreement would probably be if you can trust the government to actually accomplish that and not screw things up.

The author of the article clearly found it to be a "bad thing". Edited to add, and apparently Bob does as well per his title to this thread "ignore bad behavior by black students sez Obama"

So you do agree that the author of Bob's article seized on one out of numerous objectives set forth in the Executive Order, distorted that one objective into meaning something other than intended, then created an "outrage" which Bob has seized upon to smear the President? Do you also agree that the remainder of Bob's article has strong racist undertones? Or not?


Let's have the discussion that Bob wanted. You have my opinion of the article, let's have yours. Does any right winger have the courage to provide their opinions?

As you might expect, I'm not in agreement with the recommendation that anyone (minority or other) receive any preferential treatment when suspected of committing a crime. When sufficient proof exists then a conviction is appropriate, public opinion be damned. Let the crime be met with the appropriate punishment no matter what the motivation. An eye for an eye seems fair to me. What doesn't seem fair to me is the fiddling about with the laws and finding ways to make crimes some how become oddly interpreted minor infractions that are not the truth. If something happened that violates the laws of the land the violator(s) are all subject to that rule of law and when the laws are applied and a trial occurs the verdict must be observed and applied.

Blazer Bob wrote: You have given your opinion but you have not addressed a single point with but gross distortions.

You asked for my opinion, now you are complaining that I gave it? You wanted an opinion from a left winger, you got it. Now why don't you provide your opinion of the article? Do you agree with the author, that the executive order is an attempt by the President to "transfer massive wealth from white taxpayers to blacks"? Or do you find such statements to be racist and offensive? Not difficult questions, why not answer?
Why do you post such crap asking for opinions, then refuse to discuss it? Do you agree with the crap that you post or not?

otisptoadwater wrote: As you might expect, I'm not in agreement with the recommendation that anyone (minority or other) receive any preferential treatment when suspected of committing a crime. When sufficient proof exists then a conviction is appropriate, public opinion be damned. Let the crime be met with the appropriate punishment no matter what the motivation. An eye for an eye seems fair to me. What doesn't seem fair to me is the fiddling about with the laws and finding ways to make crimes some how become oddly interpreted minor infractions that are not the truth. If something happened that violates the laws of the land the violator(s) are all subject to that rule of law and when the laws are applied and a trial occurs the verdict must be observed and applied.

What a weaselly nonanswer to the question asked. What does this have to do with the thread? The OP did not even discuss crimes. Have you read Bob's article and compare it with the actual Executive Order? Apparently only Pine and I bothered to do so. I found the article to be extremely racist, and that was reflected in my opinion, which I provided per Bob's request.

Did you find the article to which Bob brought into this discussion to be racist, or do you agree with the premise of the article that the executive order is an attempt by the President to transfer massive amounts of wealth from white taxpayers to blacks and the underlying assumptions in that statement?

Something the Dog Said wrote: What a weaselly nonanswer to the question asked. What does this have to do with the thread? The OP did not even discuss crimes. Have you read Bob's article and compare it with the actual Executive Order? Apparently only Pine and I bothered to do so. I found the article to be extremely racist, and that was reflected in my opinion, which I provided per Bob's request.

I don't know what your level of education is but I have a Masters of Science in Information Systems, I'm fairly confident I can read and comprehend what I read. Call me over confident, I know what I read and Barry's agenda is to re-assign wealth; take from those who have and give to those who don't (while skimming what he thinks is the appropriate percentage off the top to feed the Federal monster, ever expanding Gubment as a part of the process). Minorities happen to presently be Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics but if you run the population numbers Caucasians will be the minorities in the next fifty years.

If it hasn't occurred to you that what you have today is going to be taxed and maybe seized later then you'll enjoy the spoils of your own votes. Remember YOU and YOURS voted for this.

otisptoadwater wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: What a weaselly nonanswer to the question asked. What does this have to do with the thread? The OP did not even discuss crimes. Have you read Bob's article and compare it with the actual Executive Order? Apparently only Pine and I bothered to do so. I found the article to be extremely racist, and that was reflected in my opinion, which I provided per Bob's request.

I don't know what your level of education is but I have a Masters of Science in Information Systems, I'm fairly confident I can read and comprehend what I read. Call me over confident, I know what I read and Barry's agenda is to re-assign wealth; take from those who have and give to those who don't (while skimming what he thinks is the appropriate percentage off the top to feed the Federal monster, ever expanding Gubment as a part of the process). Minorities happen to presently be Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics but if you run the population numbers Caucasians will be the minorities in the next fifty years.

If it hasn't occurred to you that what you have today is going to be taxed and maybe seized later then you'll enjoy the spoils of your own votes. Remember YOU and YOURS voted for this.

In response to your off topic query, I have two post graduate degrees including a Master of Science in Mechanical and Aerospace Engineering (so yes I am something of a rocket scientist). It appears that your off topic rambling about your education is to compensate that you do not have single iota of factual evidence to support your hypothesis in regard to this conspiracy to transfer the wealth from whites to blacks. It seems that you agree with the article in the OP, that the President is attempting to transfer massive wealth from the whites to blacks. Well at least you have the courage to go on the record.

Indeed, I find it alarming that a learned person such as your self wouldn't be practically smart enough to recognize that that current form of our Government is inoperable.

:rofllol

Something the Dog Said wrote:

Blazer Bob wrote: You have given your opinion but you have not addressed a single point with but gross distortions.

You asked for my opinion, now you are complaining that I gave it? You wanted an opinion from a left winger, you got it. Now why don't you provide your opinion of the article? Do you agree with the author, that the executive order is an attempt by the President to "transfer massive wealth from white taxpayers to blacks"? Or do you find such statements to be racist and offensive? Not difficult questions, why not answer?
Why do you post such crap asking for opinions, then refuse to discuss it? Do you agree with the crap that you post or not?

The only place that is asserted is in your own mind. I knew what your opinion was going to be before you formulated it. I was wondering if there were any actual facts that the left had a counterpoint to.

I have my answer. You seem to have no regard for the generations of urban kids who have been raised in a culture of despair. I do not think you are a racist but you might as well be.

I worked with inner city kids a quarter of a century ago and it was tragic. It still is. I have posted many pieces about pilot programs that have successfully helped them. I have never seen any support for that from the radical left.

http://mymountaintown.com/forums/blazer ... ee#p270764