ignore bad behavior by black students sez Obama

You did admit that you had no interest in this thread other than to personally attack me. That makes it cyberstalking.

Boo hoo, go cry yourself to sleep. I guess you could grow a pair and admit you're wrong but that would mean you would have to admit you're completely wrong on this issue.

Dog may have a great future in politics.

He/she has mastered the art of obfuscation, and is doing very well at totally ignoring facts/truth. Also is doing very well at twisting what someone said into something that they never said, or even implied.

Also good at repeating a falsehood enough times to make it appear that it is true.

All he/she needs now is some $$ backing to become a real politician.

Or maybe a good scandal to get national attention.

otisptoadwater wrote:

You did admit that you had no interest in this thread other than to personally attack me. That makes it cyberstalking.

Boo hoo, go cry yourself to sleep. I guess you could grow a pair and admit you're wrong but that would mean you would have to admit you're completely wrong on this issue.

Why would I admit that I am wrong, when I am 100% correct on the issue of this thread.

jf1acai wrote: Dog may have a great future in politics.

He/she has mastered the art of obfuscation, and is doing very well at totally ignoring facts/truth. Also is doing very well at twisting what someone said into something that they never said, or even implied.

Also good at repeating a falsehood enough times to make it appear that it is true.

All he/she needs now is some $$ backing to become a real politician.

Or maybe a good scandal to get national attention.

Nice, keep up the personal attacks rather than discuss the issue brought forth by the OP. So, it appears that you are yet another who prefers personal attacks rather than discussion of the issues. Or are you brave enough to go on the record as to whether you agree with the article that is the subject of this thread, that the President is attempting to transfer "massive wealth from WHITE taxpayers to black students"? Or are you yet another poster who engages in petty sniping rather than try to discuss the issue brought forth.

Perhaps you should try reading rather than just repeating your same old crap - http://mymountaintown.com/forums/topic?p=288951#p288951

jf1acai wrote: Dog, you have repeatedly made false or at least misleading statements in your responses to this thread.

You have repeatedly referred to the "...article that Bob posted with approval...". Approval by whom? The implication is that Bob approved of the article, but I see no evidence of that.

You continually refer to '...the premise of Bob's post, that the Executive Order promoting educational opportunities for African American students is simply "an attempt by President Obama to transfer massive wealth from white taxpayers to blacks". ' Neither Bob's post, nor the article referenced, make any such claim. Any reasonable reading of the article indicates that the transfer of wealth began prior to the Executive Order. Further, the purported quote is from one of your previous responses, not from the article, as you attempt to imply.

This is the quote from the article that Bob requested discussion:
"The reality is that there is a massive transfer of wealth from white taxpayers to black public school students. Obama's blatantly false claims are an insult to all white people who pay taxes."

The reasonable reading from the article which is solely discussing the Executive Order, is that the author is alleging that the President, through the Executive Order, is causing a "massive transfer of wealth from white taxpayers to black students". There can be no other reading unless you are attempting to distort the article to create a false attack on me.

You state that "That article is vile for so many reasons, not the least of which is it makes the statement that whites are the only taxpayers, that somehow the executive order is a "massive wealth transfer" from whites to blacks, that blacks are bad for white society, that blacks as a whole are murderers and criminals, and on and on." But the article does not make any of these statements. You may have misread it as doing so, but it does not.

The clear and unmistakeable meaning from that vile statement is that the author is claiming the executive order is a massive transfer of wealth from white taxpayers to blacks. That is the plain meaning of the statement:
"The reality is that there is a massive transfer of wealth from white taxpayers to black public school students. Obama's blatantly false claims are an insult to all white people who pay taxes."
The author does not say a transfer of wealth from taxpayers to black students. He emphasizes the term "white taxpayers" and "white people who pay taxes". That is an absolutely racist statement. If he had left out the term "white", then you might conceivably have an argument, but he does not. He makes it a white vs. black issue.

The only indication of possible racism in the situation that I see, excluding your comments, is that the Executive Order specifically requests that blacks be given favorable treatment in disciplinary situations. I concur with others here - I do not agree with this approach, rather I think concentration should be on how to get the behavior improved so that favorable treatment is not necessary.

The only "favorable treatment" that the Executive Order requests in terms of disciplinary situations is that steps are taken to ensure that the disciplinary actions are uniformly applied regardless of race. How you can be against that, I just don't know. Here is the only mention of disciplinary action in the Executive Order:

( vi) reducing the dropout rate of African American students and helping African American students graduate from high school prepared for college and a career, in part by promoting a positive school climate that does not rely on methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools, and by supporting successful and innovative dropout prevention and recovery strategies that better engage African American youths in their learning, help them catch up academically, and provide those who have left the educational system with pathways to reentry;

The author and Bob have distorted that statement that the schools use methods that do not result in disparate use of disciplinary tools into "ignore bad behavior by black students sez Obama. That you agree with them is incredible. The true factual statement is that the Executive Order only requests that methods be used to that do not result in disparate use of disciplinary tools. Any reasonable non-racist individual would agree that our great country is founded on the principles of equal treatment of all regardless of race including in school discipline.

So much for the false and misleading statements that you keep claiming that I made. I still stand by my opinion that the article is a vile and disgusting piece of racist crap. You can keep up a personal vendatta against me, but try to keep to the truth.

The reasonable reading from the article which is solely discussing the Executive Order, is that the author is alleging that the President, through the Executive Order, is causing a "massive transfer of wealth from white taxpayers to black students".

False. The 7 paragraphs of the article preceding the statement, beginning with

The executive order also states that black students "lack equal access" to education. This statement, by the White House, is outrageous and easily disproved.

provide the basis for the transfer of wealth statement, and the statement does not say that there will be a transfer of wealth, it clearly says there is a transfer of wealth. Since the article was written on 7/30/12, and the Executive Order is dated 7/26/12, it is obvious that transfer of wealth could not possibly be the result of the Executive Order. Thus your attempted interpretation can not possibly be correct.

Pineinthegrass already addressed the 'disparate use of disciplinary tools'.

You conveniently failed to mention your incorrect claims that the article states "...that blacks are bad for white society, that blacks as a whole are murderers and criminals, and on and on.", or your incorrect statement that Bob posted the article with approval.

I still give your responses at least 3 Pinocchios for false and/or misleading statements.

I have no vendetta against you, but I have no respect for anyone who continually repeats falsehoods in an attempt to promote an agenda.

JF

jf1acai wrote:

The reasonable reading from the article which is solely discussing the Executive Order, is that the author is alleging that the President, through the Executive Order, is causing a "massive transfer of wealth from white taxpayers to black students".

False. The 7 paragraphs of the article preceding the statement, beginning with

The executive order also states that black students "lack equal access" to education. This statement, by the White House, is outrageous and easily disproved.

provide the basis for the transfer of wealth statement, and the statement does not say that there will be a transfer of wealth, it clearly says there is a transfer of wealth. Since the article was written on 7/30/12, and the Executive Order is dated 7/26/12, it is obvious that transfer of wealth could not possibly be the result of the Executive Order. Thus your attempted interpretation can not possibly be correct.

Pineinthegrass already addressed the 'disparate use of disciplinary tools'.

You conveniently failed to mention your incorrect claims that the article states "...that blacks are bad for white society, that blacks as a whole are murderers and criminals, and on and on.", or your incorrect statement that Bob posted the article with approval.

I still give your responses at least 3 Pinocchios for false and/or misleading statements.

I have no vendetta against you, but I have no respect for anyone who continually repeats falsehoods in an attempt to promote an agenda.

The statement by the author is clear on it's face. "You can try to spin it, but it is clearly meant as a racist statement. Why does the author claim that only white taxpayers are affected by this "massive transfer of wealth"? Are blacks, asians, native americans, hispanics, and others excluded from this massive transfer of wealth? Why are only white people being so affected?

Why do you duck away from the claim that the black students are somehow getting special treatment from discipline when the truth, the cold hard facts, show that the executive order only states that they are not to get special treatment but the same treatment as other student of other races? Even you have to admit that article and Bob are completely wrong and distorted the facts to arrive at their outrage.


In regard to my statements " "...that blacks are bad for white society, that blacks as a whole are murderers and criminals, and on and on.", here is what the article alleges"

There is a reason why blacks are more likely to be disciplined in school. Black students are more likely to misbehave. The U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that there is a huge crime rate disparity between blacks and other racial groups.

Based on those disparities, one should expect that there would be a disparity in frequency of bad behavior between black and white school students in the public schools.

The DOJ reports that the homicide rate in the black community is nine times greater than in the white community. Between 1976 and 2005, the DOJ reported that blacks averaged 13 percent of the population, but accounted for 59 percent of felony homicide charges and 53 percent of non-felony manslaughter charges. It also might come as no surprise that 93-95 percent of black homicides victims are killed by a black perpetrator. Most of the rest are killed by a Latino perpetrator.


Wow, sounds like blacks are criminals and murders. Except when you look at the facts. They cite the DOJ, but actually their source to which they linked to this information is actually a white supremacist group called the American Renaissance who publish such trash as how the IQ of non-whites is less than that of whites, how inferior the other races are and so forth. But you would expect racists to quote from racists. The truth however is quite different. According to FBI data, the rate of homicides for black on black is almost identical to that for white on white, about 84%. It appears that this representative for other crimes as well.
http://www.politifact.com/florida/state ... nd-murder/
So yes, the author makes out like blacks are danger to the population, when in truth the stats are similarly broken down along racial lines. And what does that have to do with the executive order anyway? He cherry picks data, takes it out of context then creates generalities. But that is what racists do.

I did exaggerate about Bob quoting with approval, but based on the title that he gave this thread, it does appear that he is in line with the article. Of course I do note that you have no problem with him distorting the executive order to create such an "outrage".

So you have no basis to claim that I have been propagating falsehoods. Spare your sanctimonious preaching for someone else. I stand behind my opinions.

So do you still agree with the article?

The statement by the author is clear on it's face.

Yes it is. It is sad that you are still unwilling to admit that you are wrong.

So you have no basis to claim that I have been propagating falsehoods.

Yes, I have, as already posted.

So do you still agree with the article?

You are trying to put words in my mouth that I did not say. Other than to point out what the article really said, instead of what you incorrectly claimed it said, I have not commented on the article.

If you want my opinion (which with an additional $3 might buy a cup of coffee), I think this Executive Order will waste more $$, create further divisiveness, and do absolutely nothing to improve the situation.