ObamaCares works!

05 Sep 2013 11:34 #1 by Something the Dog Said
At least two credible reports are showing that premiums for health insurance are coming in at less than projected by the CBO and dramatically less than the "rate shock" decried by conservatives.
http://kaiserfamilyfoundation.files.wor ... places.pdf


According to one report by the Kaiser Family Foundation, health insurance plans in the exchanges set up to provide access to the insurance marketplace for those who do not have insurance from their workplace must meet the following criteria:
" Beginning in 2014, plans offered in the exchanges –along with coverage sold to individual and small businesses outside the exchanges – must meet several new regulatory requirements. For example, insurers must cover a minimum set of services called essential health benefits and must organize their plan offerings into five levels of patient cost-sharing (catastrophic, bronze, silver, gold, and platinum, ranging from least to most protective). Also starting in 2014, insurers will be prohibited from denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions, and will be able to vary premiums only by age (to a limited extent), tobacco status, geographic region, and family size. "

So far 17 states and DC have set up exchanges (including Colorado). The other states have resisted and instead are relying upon a federal exchange. In those 17 states that chose to set up their own exchanges, The KFF report found that generally premiums are coming in less than projected in the CBO (and much less than the claims made by many conservatives). For example, the CBO projected that premiums for a single 40 year old male would be $320 per month (which was considerable to be very good), in reality under ObamaCares, that premium rate is about $255 before subsidies.

"While premiums will vary significantly across the country, they are generally lower than expected. For example, we estimate that the latest projections from the Congressional Budget Office imply that the premium for a 40-year-old in the second lowest cost silver plan would average $320 per month nationally. Fifteen of the eighteen rating areas we examined have premiums below this level, suggesting that the cost of coverage for consumers and the federal budgetary cost for tax credits will be lower than anticipated."

According to the Republican led House ACA oversight committee, the insurance premiums for individuals would rise 35%, but in reality the premiums are actually dropping in most cases.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/rate-shock

Even in those groups that are seeing their premiums rise (i.e., young adults), the comparisons are not apples to apples, since they are going from a high deductible catastrophic plan to one that actually provides benefits.

So not only are more and more individuals saving money on their health insurance, as those who have been previously uninsured gain insurance, we should see medical costs begin to drop as well since the medical providers are actually getting paid. The costs will decrease instead of the costs of the free riders being absorbed into the costs for those who have been insured.

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05 Sep 2013 14:40 #2 by RenegadeCJ
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Interesting. That is vastly lower than the quotes we have had from multiple sources. The problem is parity. Nobody has to follow the same rules. Businesses are being punished for hiring additional people or working them more than 30 hrs. That doesn't seem to "work" in my mind.

Too bad future generations aren't here to see all the great things we are spending their $$ on!!

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05 Sep 2013 15:10 #3 by FredHayek
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And if you hare a great plan, like many unions, even public sector teacher unions, you are getting taxed on your benefits. Forget that Dog in your biased analysis.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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05 Sep 2013 15:15 #4 by LadyJazzer
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Hmmm... Not unless they are over $10,200 for individuals or $27,500 for a family. (Let me know if you find a public-sector teacher's union whose plan exceeds those amounts.) ... Forgot that, Fred, in your right-wing biased anti-Obamacare taking-points?... The teabaggers are terrified because they know A) When the plan is fully in effect, all their lies about it will be shown to be false, and the American people will find out how much it saves them money, and it can't be cancelled, and they can't be denied coverage for pre-existing conditions; and, B) They will finally admit that THEY HAVE NO PLAN... "Repeal and Squeal"... There IS NO "Replace."

Tick-tock, tick-tock.... October 1st will be here before you know it...And the whole plan is in effect by January 1st...

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05 Sep 2013 15:38 #5 by FredHayek
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So why are the unions upset?

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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05 Sep 2013 15:41 #6 by LadyJazzer
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Why don't you impress us with your "facts", Fred?..

lol

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05 Sep 2013 16:05 #7 by Something the Dog Said

RenegadeCJ wrote: Interesting. That is vastly lower than the quotes we have had from multiple sources. The problem is parity. Nobody has to follow the same rules. Businesses are being punished for hiring additional people or working them more than 30 hrs. That doesn't seem to "work" in my mind.

The exchanges ensure that there is parity, that the plans are apples to apples so that individuals and small businesses can shop for the best plan that suits their needs. It provides a marketplace where all products are on even footing.

Colorado's exchange is Connect for Colorado and will be open for business on October 1. And large businesses that are already providing health insurance to employees are not being "punished". It is only those large employers who deny employee health insurance benefits that are trying to game the system.

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05 Sep 2013 16:08 #8 by UNDER MODERATION
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RenegadeCJ wrote: Interesting..... That is vastly lower than the quotes we have had from multiple sources.



Ah yeah Fox News, Rush and Hannity?

#Dupedagain

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05 Sep 2013 16:09 #9 by LadyJazzer
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Vice Lord wrote:

RenegadeCJ wrote: Interesting..... That is vastly lower than the quotes we have had from multiple sources.



Ah yeah Fox News, Rush and Hannity?


Don't forget Rasmussen, Cruz and Lee....

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06 Sep 2013 09:33 #10 by The Boss
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Accomplished_speech

party types....all the same....just new wave religion....little proof...lots of faith.

This is barely foreplay....give it some time to get hot and heavy.

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