Keep Talking Ted Cruz! KILL OBAMACARE BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

And yet another post claiming it's ok for we conservatives to behave badly because someone on your side did it too.

I hope in 6 months we can start a discussion based on the realities of the ACA, and not wild suppositions.

Rick wrote:

homeagain wrote: PLEASE understand that it does NOT matter what the plan is called/WHO implemented or
originated the plan....our healthcare delivery system is so broken and fubared that NOTHING
will fix it.....this partisan bullsh** is so non-productive and STUPID......the problem is much
deeper/complex than your (collective) posts. The graph, corruption,greed permeates the
ENTIRE spectrum of healthcare and it does NOT matter who you are or what your plan covers
your HEALTH will NOT be addressed in adequate matter.

!.) The interconnection between the drug companies/doctors/hospitals is a PRIMARY factor in
your cost....the relationship/connection is based on $$$$$.(grease the palm and slide the $$$
over)

2.) DOCTORS, Specifically G.P.'s primary care doctors are burn out/overloaded and can NOT
maintain patient load....they are vacating the vocation in droves.....

3.) There is a degree of SELF RESPONSIBILITY that is required....you can NOT take a pill for
everything that ails you and expect to be healthy....their are SIDE AFFECTS for that decision.
But yet, the advertisements for drugs are PROLIFIC and on going....

4.) IF you want a eye opening piece of information about just how f***ed delivery care is....
look no further than Oprah W.....(a woman who is worth BILLIONS and can purchase the
absolute BEST health care available to a human being.)....several years ago she was UNhealthy
and experiencing many health problems....went to her doctor/s...MANY tests and procedures
later still NO real understanding of what was wrong.....(much $$$$ spent ATTEMPTING to find
the problem.) It was ONLY when a friend asked her "have you had your THYROID checked?"
did a resolution FINALLY occur......NO ONE had thought about her thyroid.....

Of course, all of this is JMO......

So of those issues in your list, which ones do you believe will get better under the ACA?
1. Will the actual costs of care come down considering the medical device tax and nothing has been done to address tort reform (or will less people sue doctors now?)
2. Will more doctors start covering less patients or will it be the other way around?
3. Will more people start being responsible for their oown health or will more feel like they have a magic medical safety net?
4.Will your Oprah senario get better or worse... and why?

Contrary to the broad brushers around here, I don't think the ACA is a bad idea because it came from the left or Obama, I think it's bad because it was poorly thought out. This government has been doing studies of the Keystone pipeline for many years to ensure the are no bad "unintended consequences", but for a much more important and massive issue that will affect every American, the ACA was built in about 18 months and four years later there are still more unknowns than the first moon landing. But I really do hope I'm wrong and will be willing to eat my own words if this actually works. But if it doesn't work, I guarantee nobody on the left wil accept an ounce of blame... the blame will be aimed at those on the right who opposed it.

To answer your questions.....I TRULY do not know how it will unfold.....what I DO know is
this....YOU MUST BE YOUR OWN HEALTH ADVOCATE and ask questions, do the research and
if you do not understand risks/side affects/ issues ask and ASK AGAIN until you have a
good understanding of how decisions will affect youR body/health. A LARGE PORTION of the
health care problem is Americans obsession with drugs/rx's/treatments AND a disproportionate
dependency on the "doctor experience"......i.e........I have Kaiser Perm. and last year I was
told by a HARVARD TRAINED DOCTOR (one who does NOT subscribe to pill pushing and believes
that the largest amount of distance between you and hospitals/doctors/drugs is MOST advisable) I NEEDED/REQUIRED thyroid medication.....I questioned that option ASKED for more
complete thyroid tests...FREE T3 and FREET4, which Kaiser does NOT typically test for...I
had to INSIST and fortunately my doctor agreed to the additional testing.....the end result
was that I was borderline,but the values were within range and so we are just monitoring
every 6 months....the Rx was NOT necessary and in fact would have been DETRIMENTAL....
I did the research and discovered the side affects were NOT something I wanted to sign on
for......OTHER OPTIONS were chosen because I was my own health advocate.

archer wrote: And yet another post claiming it's ok for we conservatives to behave badly because someone on your side did it too.

Not exactly, but you infer wierd assumptions from other peoples' post often.

But back on topic, the author Guy P. Benson reports that Colorado exchanges, once thought to be a model for the nation, are clearly not ready for the ACA and it looks like from Walter's example that it is very true. (Article on www.hotair.com )

But that is par for the course with the Left, deliver less than promised and deliver it later. "But we had good intentions, sorry we weren't ready when ACA was passed years ago."

FredHayek wrote:

archer wrote: And yet another post claiming it's ok for we conservatives to behave badly because someone on your side did it too.

Not exactly, but you infer wierd assumptions from other peoples' post often.

But back on topic, the author Guy P. Benson reports that Colorado exchanges, once thought to be a model for the nation, are clearly not ready for the ACA and it looks like from Walter's example that it is very true. (Article on http://www.hotair.com )

But that is par for the course with the Left, deliver less than promised and deliver it later. "But we had good intentions, sorry we weren't ready when ACA was passed years ago."

Why did it not work for Walter? It did work for Walter in that he did not qualify for any tax credits due to the low income. It appears that the separate state Medicare website did not have the updated information but that is an entirely different issue.

It is quite appropriate that the very first time that Fred provides a source it is from "hotair.com".

Rick wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: It must be truly sad to live Toad's world of hate, venom and irrationality. He is typical of many conservatives, choosing to surround themselves in their venom rather than enjoy the day that is before us. .

Do you really want to go down this hypocritical road Dog? Although your posts aren't as hate filled as the queen of hate LJ (who you've NEVER critisized), they usually start out by insinuating those you disagree with are idiots. Spare us your fake outrage please.

I have never called anyone on this forum an idiot. I have called several particular posts to be "idiotic" simply because they are. If you want to post vitrol based rants with no factual underpinnings containing false information, then those posts are idiotic.

I care little that I may have hurt your feelings, but I care tremendously that false information is disseminated in order to mislead others.

Walter could have made a simple phone call and gotten the information he needed, but it is ever so much more fun to complain and label the ACA a failure than to seek the truth.

Rick wrote:

homeagain wrote: PLEASE understand that it does NOT matter what the plan is called/WHO implemented or
originated the plan....our healthcare delivery system is so broken and fubared that NOTHING
will fix it.....this partisan bullsh** is so non-productive and STUPID......the problem is much
deeper/complex than your (collective) posts. The graph, corruption,greed permeates the
ENTIRE spectrum of healthcare and it does NOT matter who you are or what your plan covers
your HEALTH will NOT be addressed in adequate matter.

!.) The interconnection between the drug companies/doctors/hospitals is a PRIMARY factor in
your cost....the relationship/connection is based on $$$$$.(grease the palm and slide the $$$
over)

2.) DOCTORS, Specifically G.P.'s primary care doctors are burn out/overloaded and can NOT
maintain patient load....they are vacating the vocation in droves.....

3.) There is a degree of SELF RESPONSIBILITY that is required....you can NOT take a pill for
everything that ails you and expect to be healthy....their are SIDE AFFECTS for that decision.
But yet, the advertisements for drugs are PROLIFIC and on going....

4.) IF you want a eye opening piece of information about just how f***ed delivery care is....
look no further than Oprah W.....(a woman who is worth BILLIONS and can purchase the
absolute BEST health care available to a human being.)....several years ago she was UNhealthy
and experiencing many health problems....went to her doctor/s...MANY tests and procedures
later still NO real understanding of what was wrong.....(much $$$$ spent ATTEMPTING to find
the problem.) It was ONLY when a friend asked her "have you had your THYROID checked?"
did a resolution FINALLY occur......NO ONE had thought about her thyroid.....

Of course, all of this is JMO......

So of those issues in your list, which ones do you believe will get better under the ACA?
1. Will the actual costs of care come down considering the medical device tax and nothing has been done to address tort reform (or will less people sue doctors now?)

The actual cost of care may not come down but the intent is to keep it from rising at the astronomical rates that it has previously. ACA will most certainly do that, since the single major factor on the rise in health care cost is the lack of ability to pay medical bills by lower income individuals resulting in bankrupticy for the individual and pass along of their medical bills to others. With this eliminated, medical costs will reflect the true cost of the actual protocols, without the inclusion of the additional costs of the free riders.
Further, with affordable insurance for most individuals, the ER will not be the primary care provider for lower income individuals who do not pay their bills in the past.

Tort reform is and always has been a state issue. It is not within the purview of the federal government. Most states including Colorado have strict limits on the recovery for medical malpractive beyond the actual cost of recovery of the injury.

2. Will more doctors start covering less patients or will it be the other way around?

The ACA does not create more patients, it just ensures that the medical provider will be paid. So it will be more lucrative for doctors to practice, thus more individuals will enter the field. Further, the ACA provides incentives, such as forgiving student loans, for doctors to practice in rural and underserved markets.

3. Will more people start being responsible for their oown health or will more feel like they have a magic medical safety net?

The plans offered under the health exchanges under the ACA require that individuals be responsible for the copays, deductibles and coinsurance, thus they have skin in the game to ensure that they will be personally responsible. No one gets a "magic medical safety net", only affordable health insurance.

4.Will your Oprah senario get better or worse... and why?

Contrary to the broad brushers around here, I don't think the ACA is a bad idea because it came from the left or Obama, I think it's bad because it was poorly thought out. This government has been doing studies of the Keystone pipeline for many years to ensure the are no bad "unintended consequences", but for a much more important and massive issue that will affect every American, the ACA was built in about 18 months and four years later there are still more unknowns than the first moon landing. But I really do hope I'm wrong and will be willing to eat my own words if this actually works. But if it doesn't work, I guarantee nobody on the left wil accept an ounce of blame... the blame will be aimed at those on the right who opposed it.

The ACA was not built in 18 months. It was first proposed 20 years ago by the conservative Heritage Foundation, implemented in Massachusetts seven years ago which created a "laboratory" to see if it works. It worked very well.
There are problems and hiccups with the implementation of the ACA, just as there has been with every major piece of legislation. It was expected that the adults in Congress would fix those as they came up, as had been done with legislation in the past. Unfortunately, the juveniles in the House refuse to fix anything, just demand it be repealed with nothing to take it's place.

As to the rest of your generalizations, blah, blah, blah.

archer wrote: No surprise that fred would jump in with a "you do it too" defence of bad behavior.

He doesn't have anything else....EVER.

LadyJazzer wrote:

archer wrote: No surprise that fred would jump in with a "you do it too" defence of bad behavior.

He doesn't have anything else....EVER.

Where did I defend it? Please provide that quote.