Top Political Lies?

04 Nov 2013 07:45 #51 by The Boss
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And what are you?

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04 Nov 2013 08:26 #52 by FredHayek
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on that note wrote: Fred think you caught my political lie? You are likely a more informed voter.

Served - 2,500,000
Deaths - 6,717

Divide the two, this is pretty simple, not expected, even looking at the numbers, but....

The answer is 372. One out of every 372 people we have sent there has died. I was being conservative.

Even if we take the numbers you put in 1,000,000 and 4,000....that is 1 dead for every 250 people we sent.

Funny when I started this response I thought you were arguing that my rates were to high, that there were far less deaths, I was quoting too many deaths, in fact your response was telling me that my quoted death toll from the war was too low, you quote almost double the death rate I quoted.

So same question, did folks know that 1 out of every 250-400 people that we sent to the War on Terror are dead?


Looks like you are correct.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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04 Nov 2013 09:00 #53 by LadyJazzer
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MEDIA'S 'VICTIM': 'I WOULD JUMP' AT OBAMACARE PLANS
The media labeled her an Obamacare victim. Here's what she really thinks.


You mean the insurance company/companies LIED to their customers to try to scare them into higher-cost plans to screw them one last time before the exchanges kicked in??? Imagine my surprise....

on that note wrote: political lies are often that of omission or manipulation of numbers.


Why, yes....


REPORT: Insurers Hiding Obamacare Benefits From Customers...
Special Investigation: How Insurers Are Hiding Obamacare Benefits From Customers

Donna received the letter canceling her insurance plan on Sept. 16. Her insurance company, LifeWise of Washington, told her that they'd identified a new plan for her. If she did nothing, she'd be covered.

But that's not what she found. Instead, she'd be paying an additional $300 a month for coverage. The letter made no mention of the health insurance marketplace that would soon open in Washington, where she could shop for competitive plans, and only an oblique reference to financial help that she might qualify for, if she made the effort to call and find out.

Otherwise, she'd be automatically rolled over to a new plan -- and, as the letter said, "If you're happy with this plan, do nothing."

Fast forward a month, and Donna was able to log onto Washington's marketplace and shop for insurance. And what did she find? Options. A LifeWise plan with the same deductible they offered her outside the exchange was a little cheaper. Plans with a lower deductible had the same or lower premiums as the LifeWise plan. What she ended up buying was a plan through Community Health Plan of Washington with a $250 deductible. And crucially, she also discovered she would qualify for a federal tax subsidy that would knock her monthly premium to $80. Her daughter could enroll in Medicaid, at no cost to the family.

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Clark, the Kentucky insurance commissioner, told TPM that Humana executives had told state officials that there had been "a major disconnect" between the marketing and government compliance arms of the company.

"That was the excuse they gave us," she said. "That was the rationale."

"This is a great example of the kind of consumer abuses that are typical of the insurance industry, and they're supposed to stop under the ACA," Ethan Rome, executive director of Health Care For America Now, a pro-Obamacare advocacy group, told TPM. "In this case, they're trying to get in just one more abuse."


Gee, some states are already starting to FINE companies sending out fraudulent letters. Imagine my surprise.....

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04 Nov 2013 09:18 #54 by Reverend Revelant

LadyJazzer wrote: You mean the insurance company/companies LIED to their customers to try to scare them into higher-cost plans to screw them one last time before the exchanges kicked in??? Imagine my surprise....


Apparently a insurance company lied... which what? Makes Obama's lies ok? Your "Pee Wee Herman 'and what are you'" schtick gets old and is juvenile.

You spent all that posting time and it doesn't change squat. Obama lied... big time, over and over and about more than one topic and he's not stopping.

Is this all you've got?

Waiting for Armageddon since 33 AD

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04 Nov 2013 09:27 #55 by FredHayek
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HEARTLESS wrote: Iraq is averaging 1,000 deaths a month now that we have pulled out, is that the mission accomplished you refer to?


Obama is now looking at bringing US troops back in to support the current Iraqi president. :smackshead:

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04 Nov 2013 09:31 #56 by homeagain
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Here' what hilarious.....the MYOPIC mindset of this thread.....(and the posters who participate.....
in partisan politics)....do yourself a favorite.....read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".....
John Perkins TRUE expose of the deceit/lies of our government (dating back DECADES)....THEN
come back and debate this topic :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint:

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04 Nov 2013 09:41 #57 by Reverend Revelant

homeagain wrote: Here' what hilarious.....the MYOPIC mindset of this thread.....(and the posters who participate.....
in partisan politics)....do yourself a favorite.....read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".....
John Perkins TRUE expose of the deceit/lies of our government (dating back DECADES)....THEN
come back and debate this topic :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint: :faint:


Do yourself a favor(ite)... take a stand.

Waiting for Armageddon since 33 AD

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04 Nov 2013 13:39 #58 by homeagain
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Stand?......what is your definition of "stand"?

I tend to be pretty realistic, the WHOLE of our government is toasted...because the WHOLE of
our society does NOT have their priorities in alignment.

I "stand" in integrity and THAT idea is obsolete.

I "stand" in independent thinking and NOT accepting the status quo.

I "stand" in asking the hard questions and accepting the ramifications when I do.

I "stand "in the knowledge of "Knowing what goes up, must eventually come down" and that
everything is cyclical and THAT factor should be taken into account when making decisions.....

PLEASE spare the outrage......EVERYTHING is a learning curve and EVERYONE has their own
pace in that learning curve......JMO

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04 Nov 2013 15:03 #59 by homeagain
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HERE'S the real travesty..... http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... t/3169763/ whose going to take a "stand" for our wounded warriors
who can NOT get adequate care (mental or physical) in a timely manner.....??????Get REAL
the priorities of this nation are S0-0-0 screwed up I do NOT recognize "us" anymore......JMO

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04 Nov 2013 16:01 #60 by PrintSmith
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archer wrote: The cost for low income families has always been born by rest of us.....now it will be less as they can get care from a doctor or clinic rather than the emergency room......that's good for us, but you knew that.

I've never met you archer, but I can tell that you have brown eyes. No one could be that full of it and have eyes of any other color. The costs are going to go up, not down, for those actually footing the bill, just like it has for those footing the annual costs of Social Security and Medicare. The cap used to be roughly the median income for social security, now it is not only over twice the promised rate, but it is levied on more than twice the amount of earnings as well. And the program is still insolvent.

The Democrats keep talking about they want the minimum wage of 1968 adjusted for inflation today. Well, I want the income cap on earnings subject to Social Security adjusted for inflation from 1965. Know what that would be? Roughly what it was then, the median income level of a family living in the Union, around $49K a year. Even if you took the original income cap of $3000 in 1937 and adjusted that for inflation it would come out to roughly the same amount of $49K a year. So why is the cap today over double that amount? Expansion of the pool and expansion of the benefits, right? See any similarities between that and the (un)Affordable Care Act?

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