archer wrote: My experience with Cover Colorado was not what you are describing
Then describe your experience.
I have here, more than once, and was told I was lying, exaggerating, or whatever... Short story, my individual coverage had risen to over $1000/month, I couldn't change to another company or to a different plan because of a pre existing condition, and cover Colorado for less coverage was more expensive and did not cover 2 of my doctors.
I simply posted Cover Colorado's rate sheet from 2013.
If that chart is wrong from your experience I'd appreciate knowing how. Maybe I'll learn something. And I'm not requesting any of your personal info.
So far as the doctors they cover, that's going to vary with any health insurance policy. The lowest cost Obamacare policies are HMOs and EPOs which have a very limited doctor and hospital list (so I doubt they'd cover your doctors either), as did previous individual insurance. Do you have an issue with that? My only point is if you are going to compare policies, just make sure they are equivalent.
And unless you can tell me how the Cover Colorado prices are wrong, I can point out how similar Obamacare unsubsidized policies cost even more and have less coverage.
It's no longer an issue, this was back in 2009, I'm on medicare now and couldn't be happier. At the time I had a couple more years on an individual policy and the cost was rising over 25%/year with BC/BS. I did my due diligence in trying to find another company that would cover me, or change to a different policy with the same company but was turned down. Cover Colorado was more expensive than what I already had. Insurance for the over 60 crowd is expensive, no matter who you get it from. And most people by that age have a pre existing condition, or two. Seriously, we have several friends here in AZ who continue to work because although they wish to be retired they keep working because they need the health insurance for a younger spouse, or in my neighbors case she is single and only 63. She started Obamacare Jan 1 and will be leaving her job at the end of this month. This is all anecdotal, and as had been pointed out to me several times, means nothing coming from a liberal. But I think you all need to get out into the real world more, talk to the people the ACA is designed to help, and listen to the success stories as well as the horror stories. This law is not the definitive answer, I know that, it's not even what I wanted, but it has solved some very pressing problems. With some tweaks and improvements, I've actually heard some good ones from a few Republicans, like selling insurance across state lines, I think we can make real progress in improving our health care system.
So far I have been content to sit back and watch Obamacare collapse on itself, I have refrained from posting in this thread and simply lurked to see how the Liberals have countered the reality that is the complete and total failure that is Obamacare.
So far I see Obamabots denying reality and defending Obamacare at every turn no matter how absurd the next change to the law is made by the chief of the Executive branch on the fly with total disregard to the way laws are changed and passed under the law in our Democratic Republic.
Without piling on or deliberately trying to be an ass, I feel compelled to ask if Liberals still believe this:
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I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges; When the Republic is at its most corrupt the laws are most numerous. - Publius Cornelius Tacitus
Didn't you get the memo Otis? The new Obama talking point is that you really CAN keep your doctor and your hospital... Obama just forgot to tell you it will cost you a lot more money.
So much for the average family saving $2500 a year :HighFive:
Perhaps I missed something, but I do not believe I've seen anyone hating this country and cheering for it to collapse and people to become more miserable. I see many people who have strong opinions, and fear the worst in how our leaders are going about leading this country and disagree as to the best course, is all.
Rick wrote: Just a little history lesson....
netdude wrote: To be honest, we need to start to come together.... not sure how that happens but it's not by blasting each other, calling each other names and denigrating each others ideologies.
Can we start having open and functional discussions? I hope so... lets try not hating but try talking to each other like neighbors who disagree, that is what we can do. You guys don't hate this country neither does LJ and others on the left.
netdude wrote: YOU may actually care, I don't know, from what you present herein this forum I highly doubt it. You are a ugly little man with a real axe to grind for some f**ked up reason...
But, I feel bad for you for you must be one empty mother f'er, real ugly inside and yes, that is a sad thing to have to live with day in and day out.
So, I have pity for you, siting in some ugly place thinking oh this is the most I can be, sitting back and attacking everyone that does not think like you..... well, It's a WONDERFUL thing that more people don't. This would REALLY be a f'ed up place if more of our neighbors were more like you, thank god they aren't.
So Merry Christmas, and I hope to god you find some heart buried in that little cowardly soul of yours
so you can find SOME joy in something besides hating people that are not like you.
BTW.... my link was more meant for the OP and Outhouse338 than your useless ass..... you are just that, useless and nothing to contribute to the board, the community and frankly this world....
So, I will go back to enjoying my liberal/socialistic world that resides outside of this ugly place.... it use to be a nice place until you came here. So something I don't like to do is hit 'ignore' but for you it will be a pleasure and maybe I'll see 285Bound in a better light.... or just leave it be as it is, Dr.Phil's house of hate.
AMF'er!
netdude wrote: Would not be that far out of line for a few of the R's who post here.
Florida House candidate Joshua Black calls for hanging of President Obama
netdude wrote: You have one the most dead brains on this board, your a ideagog to the 9th degree... So your hollow claims ring partisan and impotent, you sh** ignorance in an echo chamber of ideology and call it dedication to your kids... If you really care... Look at something besides your rw blogs and. Find facts, Thomas.lic.gov. Non partisan fact checkers.... If you really care about your kids, put down your ignorance and at least TRY to find the truth. To be honest, I know you won't..... You will continue to wallow in this muddy hate you have for President Obama... Idiot.
netdude wrote: All you have here now is people trying to punish and shout-out everyone that is outside their ideological scope of what they support, and the groupthink hate of man who happens to be president yet not of their kind.
Speaking of goals, dreams, and future intentions...
In fact, the CBO projects that under Obamacare over the next decade, the number of uninsured will never fall below 30 million. Here are the year-by-year projections from the report:
Despite Obamacare’s mix of requirements, mandates, subsidies, and penalties, the CBO projects that the law will never be able to decrease the number of uninsured below 11 percent of the population. During the decade projected by the CBO, the percentage of uninsured nonelderly persons decreases from 20 percent in 2013 to 11 percent by 2016, but then remains there for the rest of the ten year period. Not everything in the CBO report is similarly static, however. The "Average Exchange Subsidy per Subsidized Enrollee" increases 50 percent over the same time period, rising from $5,290 in 2014 to $7,900 in 2023.
Durbin’s claim that 10 million now have health insurance because of Obamacare
The Pinocchio Test
Even if one took the high end of these estimates, the most one could claim is that about 4 million people have gained insurance because the Affordable Care Act, but that’s being extraordinarily generous.
In the meantime, given the fuzzy nature of the numbers and the wide publicity devoted to the recent surveys, Durbin has little excuse for going on national television and claiming that every one of these people had been previously insured. This has now become a Four Pinocchio violation.
archer wrote: It's no longer an issue, this was back in 2009, I'm on medicare now and couldn't be happier. At the time I had a couple more years on an individual policy and the cost was rising over 25%/year with BC/BS. I did my due diligence in trying to find another company that would cover me, or change to a different policy with the same company but was turned down. Cover Colorado was more expensive than what I already had. Insurance for the over 60 crowd is expensive, no matter who you get it from. And most people by that age have a pre existing condition, or two. Seriously, we have several friends here in AZ who continue to work because although they wish to be retired they keep working because they need the health insurance for a younger spouse, or in my neighbors case she is single and only 63. She started Obamacare Jan 1 and will be leaving her job at the end of this month. This is all anecdotal, and as had been pointed out to me several times, means nothing coming from a liberal. But I think you all need to get out into the real world more, talk to the people the ACA is designed to help, and listen to the success stories as well as the horror stories. This law is not the definitive answer, I know that, it's not even what I wanted, but it has solved some very pressing problems. With some tweaks and improvements, I've actually heard some good ones from a few Republicans, like selling insurance across state lines, I think we can make real progress in improving our health care system.
Archer, NO ONE wants to see this issue objectively, because it is MUCH more fun to bitch and
moan.....the simple truth is this.....healthcare delivery system is FUBARRED and it will take
alot of "work arounds" and revisions to create an efficient and SANER system...JMO
archer wrote: It's no longer an issue, this was back in 2009, I'm on medicare now and couldn't be happier. At the time I had a couple more years on an individual policy and the cost was rising over 25%/year with BC/BS. I did my due diligence in trying to find another company that would cover me, or change to a different policy with the same company but was turned down. Cover Colorado was more expensive than what I already had. Insurance for the over 60 crowd is expensive, no matter who you get it from. And most people by that age have a pre existing condition, or two. Seriously, we have several friends here in AZ who continue to work because although they wish to be retired they keep working because they need the health insurance for a younger spouse, or in my neighbors case she is single and only 63. She started Obamacare Jan 1 and will be leaving her job at the end of this month. This is all anecdotal, and as had been pointed out to me several times, means nothing coming from a liberal. But I think you all need to get out into the real world more, talk to the people the ACA is designed to help, and listen to the success stories as well as the horror stories. This law is not the definitive answer, I know that, it's not even what I wanted, but it has solved some very pressing problems. With some tweaks and improvements, I've actually heard some good ones from a few Republicans, like selling insurance across state lines, I think we can make real progress in improving our health care system.
Archer, NO ONE wants to see this issue objectively, because it is MUCH more fun to bitch and
moan.....the simple truth is this.....healthcare delivery system is FUBARRED and it will take
alot of "work arounds" and revisions to create an efficient and SANER system...JMO
Who are these "NO ONE's" you speak of? Perhaps if you had been close to death several times in the last few years (literally) you would see my worry and "bitching" about this f***ed up law a bit differently. I suppose I can't see this law objectively since my life may literally depend on it, but I do have common sense and I have done my homework... I also understand math. This "affordable" health care bill is only going to be good for the poorest folks and the rest of us will pay more and eventually get worse service (the evidence is already here). And as the CBO has reported, in ten years there will still be 31 million uninsured so what good is the ACA if we still have so many uninsured, the service is more limited, and the prices are through the roof?
“We can’t afford four more years of this”
Tim Walz
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