Illegal Immigrant Children Crowd The System

17 Jun 2014 18:11 #31 by jf1acai

STDS wrote: Particularly since this administration has deported more illegal aliens than any previous administration in history.


Really? I'm not so sure about that - http://cis.org/ICE-Illegal-Immigrant-Deportations :

Conclusion

The Obama administration has sought to portray its performance on immigration enforcement as smarter, better, and more successful than previous administrations. To support this claim, it has presented a few statistical nuggets in clever packaging that have been artificially padded by transferring cases from the Border Patrol to ICE. To use the proverbial “apples and oranges” analogy, the Obama administration, in order to give the impression of a “record” apple harvest, has counted both apples (ICE cases) and oranges painted to look like apples (Border Patrol cases), while leaving a large number of actual apples on the trees.

A better picture of the true state of immigration enforcement in the interior, where most illegal aliens have settled and where most Americans notice the impact, emerges from this analysis of ICE’s internal statistics and metrics. Interior enforcement activity, including arrests and removals of criminal aliens, which are ICE’s highest priority, has declined significantly. More than 870,000 aliens who have been ordered removed are still living here in defiance of our laws. This dysfunction must be addressed before consideration of more mass amnesties or expansions in admissions of any kind. Until we achieve better control of illegal immigration, and the laws we have are taken seriously and enforced, there is no point in passing new ones.


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17 Jun 2014 18:31 #32 by Something the Dog Said

jf1acai wrote:

STDS wrote: Particularly since this administration has deported more illegal aliens than any previous administration in history.


Really? I'm not so sure about that - http://cis.org/ICE-Illegal-Immigrant-Deportations :

Conclusion

The Obama administration has sought to portray its performance on immigration enforcement as smarter, better, and more successful than previous administrations. To support this claim, it has presented a few statistical nuggets in clever packaging that have been artificially padded by transferring cases from the Border Patrol to ICE. To use the proverbial “apples and oranges” analogy, the Obama administration, in order to give the impression of a “record” apple harvest, has counted both apples (ICE cases) and oranges painted to look like apples (Border Patrol cases), while leaving a large number of actual apples on the trees.

A better picture of the true state of immigration enforcement in the interior, where most illegal aliens have settled and where most Americans notice the impact, emerges from this analysis of ICE’s internal statistics and metrics. Interior enforcement activity, including arrests and removals of criminal aliens, which are ICE’s highest priority, has declined significantly. More than 870,000 aliens who have been ordered removed are still living here in defiance of our laws. This dysfunction must be addressed before consideration of more mass amnesties or expansions in admissions of any kind. Until we achieve better control of illegal immigration, and the laws we have are taken seriously and enforced, there is no point in passing new ones.

Yep, I am sure. This "study" by the questionable right wing "think tank" founded by the racist William Tanton cherry picks certain numbers while ignoring others. It focuses only on the deporations from the "interior" as opposed to the deportations from border states. This organization has been repeatedly found to publish false and misleading "studies" to justify anti-immigration attacks.

More neutral reports, such as the nonpartisan fact checker Politifact found that as of 2012, Obama was deporting illegals at a 57 percent increase over Bush
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -other-pr/

The nonpartisan and highly respected Pew Reseach Center found that President Obama has greatly outpaced previous administrations

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... sapproval/

There are many more reputable studies that show this fact as well, but of course, you can certainly continue to rely upon the questionable right wing cherry picked study.

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17 Jun 2014 19:20 #33 by FredHayek
And just last night Obama honored DREAM participants and those who support amnesty for illegal immigrants but Dog still thinks BHO is the toughest President on illegal aliens ever. Betrayed by your slanted sources again Dog?

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17 Jun 2014 19:46 #34 by jf1acai
Of course you disagree with anything that does not go along with the leftist philosophy, Dog, I would expect nothing less from you.

But, when you resort to calling those who disagree with you "racists" and "liars", you have lost the argument in my mind.

Your mind is made up, mine is not so sure.

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17 Jun 2014 20:39 #35 by Something the Dog Said

jf1acai wrote: Of course you disagree with anything that does not go along with the leftist philosophy, Dog, I would expect nothing less from you.

But, when you resort to calling those who disagree with you "racists" and "liars", you have lost the argument in my mind.

Your mind is made up, mine is not so sure.

Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension skills. I have not called anyone who disagrees with me a racist. I called John (earlier called him William) Tanton, the founder of CIS, the organization that issued the "study" that you used as a reference, a racist. He is a well known racist, white nationalist and Holocaust denier. I stand by my statement in that regard. I have not called you a racist nor anyone who "disagrees" with me here a "racist". As to liars, there are many here who spout false allegations and outright lies without impunity. I have no problem calling them out.

I also provide them with opportunities to withdraw their false statements. I have made statements here that turned out to be incorrect and I have withdrawn them and admitted my mistakes. I try to document my statements, which many here refuse to do. I appreciate that you at least provide sources for your statements.

You can smear me if you choose and accuse me of statements that I have not made, but I stand behind my statements, my sources, and admit my mistakes when I find them. Hopefully you will do the same and not fall in the bile here propagated by those who appear to suffer from Obama/Clinton derangement syndrome and are unable to examine the facts truthfully.

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17 Jun 2014 21:26 #36 by Cathy_Lee
Three Honduran boys talk about why they left for the U.S.

Their family paid smugglers $9,000 to bring them from Honduras to the Texas border. They crossed the Rio Grande alone in January.

What was the worst part about the journey?

"Crossing here," the 12-year-old said, speaking in Spanish. Crossing the river was the worst, he said.

The boys are from San Pedro Sula, the city with the highest murder rate in the world. They say they had to escape gangs that shot their older brother.

Were they afraid they would be killed too?

"Yes. They had already told me that they were going to kill me," said the eldest.


http://www.cbsnews.com/news/honduran-br ... ey-to-u-s/

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18 Jun 2014 07:00 #37 by FredHayek
"useful idiots" comes to mind, unless they know Obama is lying about this and does want to see amnesty before he leaves office.
Since it doesn't look like it will happen by the legislative branch, expect him to do what he can with executive orders.

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18 Jun 2014 14:28 #38 by PrintSmith

Something the Dog Said wrote: You can smear me if you choose and accuse me of statements that I have not made, but I stand behind my statements, my sources, and admit my mistakes when I find them. Hopefully you will do the same and not fall in the bile here propagated by those who appear to suffer from Obama/Clinton derangement syndrome and are unable to examine the facts truthfully.

So when are you going to admit that you were mistaken about the so-called DREAM Act not providing a pathway to citizenship or access to federal educational funds Dog? You seem to want to drive by the reality that you were wrong on those points for some odd reason.

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18 Jun 2014 14:57 #39 by Something the Dog Said

PrintSmith wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: You can smear me if you choose and accuse me of statements that I have not made, but I stand behind my statements, my sources, and admit my mistakes when I find them. Hopefully you will do the same and not fall in the bile here propagated by those who appear to suffer from Obama/Clinton derangement syndrome and are unable to examine the facts truthfully.

So when are you going to admit that you were mistaken about the so-called DREAM Act not providing a pathway to citizenship or access to federal educational funds Dog? You seem to want to drive by the reality that you were wrong on those points for some odd reason.

Because the Dream Act has not been enacted. You do know the difference between an Act ( a legislative action) and an Executive Order (issued by the executive branch), or do you? Congress refused to pass the Dream Act, it has not been enacted and is not the law of the land nor is it a "promise" by the President to young children in other countries to entice them to cross the border as has been claimed here by Fred and others.


My statements have been 100% accurate, unlike yours, as has been constantly noted.

I do not expect you to have the class or dignity to admit that you are in error once again.

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18 Jun 2014 15:07 #40 by FredHayek
DREAM act not passed? Like that will stop Obama. He doesn't let pesky things like the other branches of government stop his agenda.

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