Collateral Damages?

I have need for pillow. Really, I enjoy this but must go. I have not followed your mediamatters link. Maybe another time. I ask you this, if I asked you what charities the koch brothers have donated to, what pops into your mind?

Good night.

ZHawke wrote: Thanks, and I do mean that.

I've been reading up on the Kochs while waiting for a response from you. Perhaps I do, in fact, spend more time than I should reading left leaning publications. However, I've found they usually provide links embedded into their articles to other sources of information that most often times are more "credible", if you want to call it that. The more conservative articles I've gone to haven't been that accommodating, and that's one of the reasons for posting what I do.

Here's the article on the Kochs I've been reviewing: mediamatters.org/research/2014/08/27/myt...koch-brothers/200570

I know it's Media Matters, a left leaning publication, but it goes into a lot of detail and provides citations as to where they got the information from. Those sources vary from Forbes to Washington Post to the New York Times and more. We may ultimately wind up agreeing to disagree. But it won't be for lack of trying from my perspective.

BlazerBob wrote: I have need for pillow. Really, I enjoy this but must go. I have not followed your mediamatters link. Maybe another time. I ask you this, if I asked you what charities the koch brothers have donated to, what pops into your mind?

Good night.

This pops into my mind: www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Koch_Family_Foundations

ALEC, American Heritage Foundation, Network of Enlightened Women, and many, many more. And from what I've seen most, if not all, the charitable organizations they donate money to are of a more "conservative" bent, not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that. FYI, some of the links posted in the article I provided a link to have no further information contained therein. A simple Google search does take you right to the referenced link, though.

And, for the record, I beat you to the pillow.

ZHawke wrote:

BlazerBob wrote: I have need for pillow. Really, I enjoy this but must go. I have not followed your mediamatters link. Maybe another time. I ask you this, if I asked you what charities the koch brothers have donated to, what pops into your mind?

Good night.

This pops into my mind: www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Koch_Family_Foundations

ALEC, American Heritage Foundation, Network of Enlightened Women, and many, many more. And from what I've seen most, if not all, the charitable organizations they donate money to are of a more "conservative" bent, not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that. FYI, some of the links posted in the article I provided a link to have no further information contained therein. A simple Google search does take you right to the referenced link, though.

And, for the record, I beat you to the pillow.

Well I would hardly expect they to donate to the DNC or Planned Parenthood. "What pops into your mind" is a reflection of your data sources. Does any of this surprise you?

"In his lifetime, he and the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation have pledged or contributed more than $1.2 billion to cancer research, medical centers, educational institutions, arts and cultural institutions, and to assist public policy organizations.

Medical & Cancer Research

A prostate cancer survivor, Mr. Koch has donated $100 million as prime contributor for the David H. Koch Institute for Integrative Cancer Research at MIT. Other pledges and contributions for medical and cancer research includes:
$100 million to NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital to help build the David H. Koch Center, a new ambulatory care center, plus $28 million to other research causes
$20 million to Johns Hopkins University for the David H. Koch Cancer Research Center
$66.7 million to support cancer research at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York City
$26.5 million to the M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston for the David H. Koch Center for Applied Research of Genitourinary Cancers and other causes
$26.2 million to The Hospital for Special Surgery in New York City for the 'Building on Success' campaign and other causes
$10 million to Jaffe Food Allergy Institute at the Mount Sinai Medical Center to create the David H. and Julia Koch Research Program in Food Allergy Therapeutics
In 2011, Mr. Koch received the Humanitarian of the Year award from the American Apparel and Footwear Association for his long-standing support of organizations working to find a cure for prostate cancer. The awards gala raised more than $1.1 million for the Prostate Cancer Foundation. In 2007, he was honored with the Double Helix Medal for Corporate Leadership from Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory for supporting research that, “improves the health of people everywhere.”




Mr. Koch was honored by the Smithsonian Institution in
2012 for his generous support,"...

kochfamilyfoundations.org/FoundationsDHK.asp

Not exactly right wing facist. That is what you said. "Koch Industries (the fascist ideology founded in the uber right wing John Birch Society)"

Without google, does any of that surprise you? If it does, I submit gigo. If it doesn't I stand corrected.

Of course bad people can do good things. Given their net worth you could argue that it is a drop in the bucket and they just do it to mask what bastards they really are.



Actually I do not want debate the Koch's. In a more general sense it always amazes me how one set of facts can lead people to such antithetical conclusions.

I agree. That being said, good people sometimes do bad things, as well. One of the more poignant things I keep seeing in the forums I participate in is an arguably undying belief some people seem to hold near and dear to their hearts regarding American "exceptionalism". America is, in fact, exceptional in a number of different ways, both positive and negative. Acknowledging the positive while denying the negative is what I, personally, have a problem with. It may be a stretch to say so, but I posit the DU issue is a part of that in some ways.

ZHawke wrote: Acknowledging the positive while denying the negative is what I, personally, have a problem with.

And, once again for the record, vice versa, as well.

ZHawke wrote: I agree. That being said, good people sometimes do bad things, as well. One of the more poignant things I keep seeing in the forums I participate in is an arguably undying belief some people seem to hold near and dear to their hearts regarding American "exceptionalism". America is, in fact, exceptional in a number of different ways, both positive and negative. Acknowledging the positive while denying the negative is what I, personally, have a problem with. It may be a stretch to say so, but I posit the DU issue is a part of that in some ways.

??? Ok. Are we changing the subject? Remember, there are no topic police here. I do not deny the negative. I do not know any conservative who would deny that we screwed the Indians but it is to late to give it back. I guess it is a question of emphasis. That goes back to our inputs.

Your source article author seems to hate this country and loves bashing it. Genocide, really? DU might very well have a down side, so does shrapnel . This is nothing new, at least to me. 35 years ago we were talking about it shipboard because we had a lot onboard.

Maybe it caused my cancer. Who knows? If this works better with DU than without then I am glad we had it.

A much better view. Just ignore the hoo haw war monger music.



If that doesn't work:

BlazerBob wrote: ??? Ok. Are we changing the subject? Remember, there are no topic police here. I do not deny the negative. I do not know any conservative who would deny that we screwed the Indians but it is to late to give it back. I guess it is a question of emphasis. That goes back to our inputs.

Your source article author seems to hate this country and loves bashing it. Genocide, really? DU might very well have a down side, so does shrapnel . This is nothing new, at least to me. 35 years ago we were talking about it shipboard because we had a lot onboard.

Maybe it caused my cancer. Who knows? If this works better with DU than without then I am glad we had it.

No, not changing the subject. Perhaps straying a bit, but in the same vein. I'll elaborate later. Gotta take time while the weather cooperates to do some outside work. Will also view the video later and get back to you.

So who is going to sue the US & UK for this DU? ISIS? Or the successors for Al Maliki?

FredHayek wrote: So who is going to sue the US & UK for this DU? ISIS? Or the successors for Al Maliki?

Enjoy your popcorn, Fred.