Were voter's "really" disenfranchised?

FredHayek wrote: Great point. The media and Dems also tried to encourage voter turnout by lying about the Brown case in Missouri and it still didn't help.

Do you have actual proof of this allegation? Or is this just another sound bite?

Just curious ZHawke.....would be reading a thread like this if the election had gone your way?

Thanks for the welcome back.
Unfortunately.....I am not really allowed to have public opinions here as they result in letters to my employer.

Becky wrote: Just curious ZHawke.....would be reading a thread like this if the election had gone your way?

Thanks for the welcome back.
Unfortunately.....I am not really allowed to have public opinions here as they result in letters to my employer.

I'll add to the welcome back, Becky.

In answer to your question, I stayed away from posting here and in other similar forums for quite awhile. When I finally decided to "return", if one wants to call it that, I did it with a resolve not to go on the "attack", if at all possible. When I did return, I started looking at every thread. I choose those I feel are most relevant to my own political tendencies. In other words, as so many will say about themselves, I try to choose my battles wisely. Sometimes that works out - other times not so much. Given that I started this thread in the first place, I guess I'd have to say yep, I'd read it no matter what - no ego there, right?

Fair enough ZHawke.
I am with you on the distancing from the forums for a bit. They have gotten a little to nasty for me in my old age.
The tone as of late has been much more open to a friendly debate.
So.....welcome back to you also.

.....and to answer your question from a personal view point.....
I didn't see or hear or feel that voters were so much disenfranchised.
I do feel there is a LOT of apathy out there.
People who either don't feel they can be a part of change or just plain don't care either way.
I think there was evidence of some voter fraud with electronic ballots but pretty minimum.
As for this election.....I think folks had not seen a measurable improvement in their lives and were ready to swing the other way and try a different approach.
My hope and challenge to all those newly elected folks.....do what we voted you in to do.
No more broken promises from either side. Let's fix this thing.

Becky wrote: .....and to answer your question from a personal view point.....
I didn't see or hear or feel that voters were so much disenfranchised.
I do feel there is a LOT of apathy out there.
People who either don't feel they can be a part of change or just plain don't care either way.
I think there was evidence of some voter fraud with electronic ballots but pretty minimum.
As for this election.....I think folks had not seen a measurable improvement in their lives and were ready to swing the other way and try a different approach.
My hope and challenge to all those newly elected folks.....do what we voted you in to do.
No more broken promises from either side. Let's fix this thing.

On that, we can DEFINITELY agree. As someone near and dear to me reminded me recently, that old time philosopher Pogo said it best, "We have met the enemy and they are us". Instead of trying to find issues (guilty as charged), maybe we should instead recognize our own failings when it comes to the privilege of voting. That being said, I did, in fact, vote, and have in almost every single election since, well, since a very, very, very long time ago when I reached the legal age for doing so.

ZHawke wrote:

FredHayek wrote: Great point. The media and Dems also tried to encourage voter turnout by lying about the Brown case in Missouri and it still didn't help.

Do you have actual proof of this allegation? Or is this just another sound bite?

No, I don't have back room tape recordings of media plotting this out, but it does seem wierd to see how much attention the story got, especially with the evidence confirming this was a good shoot.
Or do you think the media attention in Ferguson was justified? And the time the justice department, Rev. Jesse Jackson(D), and Rev. Al Sharpton(D) spent there?

FredHayek wrote:

ZHawke wrote:

FredHayek wrote: Great point. The media and Dems also tried to encourage voter turnout by lying about the Brown case in Missouri and it still didn't help.

Do you have actual proof of this allegation? Or is this just another sound bite?

No, I don't have back room tape recordings of media plotting this out, but it does seem wierd to see how much attention the story got, especially with the evidence confirming this was a good shoot.
Or do you think the media attention in Ferguson was justified? And the time the justice department, Rev. Jesse Jackson(D), and Rev. Al Sharpton(D) spent there?

Then, in reality, this is, in fact, just another sound bite. The reality, as I've stated elsewhere is that the investigation is still ongoing into the Michael Brown shooting incident. When it is concluded we should find out more regarding whether or not this was indeed a "good shoot".

The media attention in Ferguson was no different, really, than any other developing story. Should the media NOT have covered it? I mean, it goes both ways.

Seems to me you have an overriding dislike for Al Sharpton, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, and Eric Holder. Are they really any different than, say, someone like Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, Cliven Bundy, C.J. Grisham, or any number of people who "show up" to arguably foment discontent?

I didn't see Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, or any Republicans show up in Utah when a white teen was killed by an African-American police officer.

FredHayek wrote: I didn't see Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, or any Republicans show up in Utah when a white teen was killed by an African-American police officer.

Insisting upon giving one "example" isn't the point at all.